FTR Jealousy!!

John E · Post by **John E** » Sun May 05, 2013 5:25 pm

Seems to me that a lot of the posters on this topic have no intention of shooting FTR.
I think that NRAA should call for an expression of interest for people to shoot FTR in the competition, putting a minimum of 10 entrants, guaranteeing at least 3 badges for the Agg, dailly agg prizes, trophies, etc.
If the numbers are not forthcoming, then there is no point of having the competition. Including shooters who may have a "FTR compliant rifle" only make it a BS competition.
When there is a sufficient number of people interested in shooting this discipline in competition, then I'm sure it will take off.

John

jasmay · Post by **jasmay** » Sun May 05, 2013 5:43 pm

John E wrote:Seems to me that a lot of the posters on this topic have no intention of shooting FTR.
I think that NRAA should call for an expression of interest for people to shoot FTR in the competition, putting a minimum of 10 entrants, guaranteeing at least 3 badges for the Agg, dailly agg prizes, trophies, etc.
If the numbers are not forthcoming, then there is no point of having the competition. Including shooters who may have a "FTR compliant rifle" only make it a BS competition.
When there is a sufficient number of people interested in shooting this discipline in competition, then I'm sure it will take off.

John

Not sure what you mean by FTR compliant making it a BS competition?

As for numbers, it's already there easily, I know a dozen shooters myself keen on it and there are many others interstate.

If Australia wants to compete in a world platform in scoped rifle it only makes sense to start shooting the international sport!!

I talk to lot of people who don't target shoot simply because we don't shoot a world recognized version. As I have said before, I would love to see it become a commonwealth sport, only one way to make that happen.

Matt P · Post by **Matt P** » Sun May 05, 2013 5:55 pm

This is what happens when the governing body either doesn't care or has no idea about the sport it governs, if the NRAA is serious about FT/R they should run the class for all comers or not at all !!!!
What is it going to take for them to come to grips that " F Class " isn't going away !!! Why not just embrace it and move forward, with out it the ranges across the country would be looking a little bare !!!!

Matt P

jasmay · Post by **jasmay** » Sun May 05, 2013 6:17 pm

Matt P wrote: Why not just embrace it and move forward, with out it the ranges across the country would be looking a little bare !!!!

Matt P

Might explain why the NRAA has lost money the last few years rather than making it....

6shooter · Post by **6shooter** » Sun May 05, 2013 6:46 pm

The mounds sure would be bare!! At my club the only new shooters we have had over the past 3 years are all shooting F-Class Std or Open. The only ones left shooting Target Rifle are the shooters that have been shooting it before F-Class came along.
I am now shooting my 7mmWSM for one rotation from 300 to 1,000yds then my Omark target rifle for the next rotation. Feel a bit guilty maybe that all the new shooters have simply followed what I am doing?!? (They bought their rifles AFTER seeing what we do)

John E · Post by **John E** » Sun May 05, 2013 7:14 pm

jasmay wrote:
John E wrote:Seems to me that a lot of the posters on this topic have no intention of shooting FTR.
I think that NRAA should call for an expression of interest for people to shoot FTR in the competition, putting a minimum of 10 entrants, guaranteeing at least 3 badges for the Agg, dailly agg prizes, trophies, etc.
If the numbers are not forthcoming, then there is no point of having the competition. Including shooters who may have a "FTR compliant rifle" only make it a BS competition.
When there is a sufficient number of people interested in shooting this discipline in competition, then I'm sure it will take off.

John

Not sure what you mean by FTR compliant making it a BS competition?

I simply mean that if there are enough people out there who want to shoot FTR, then it should be accommodated. If the numbers are not there, at this time, then it is not viable at this time --- simple as that.
If we need to artificially bolster the entry numbers by including shooters from another discipline, who may have FTR compliant gear (FSTD), then that's BS. FTR needs to stand on it's own two feet. If a sufficient number of interested persons indicate their interest to take part in the FTR competition , then I'm sure it will go ahead.
If we want FTR to take off here, then the people who are talking it up simply need to enter any competition that is offered. That will be the acid test. I'll be interested to see how many entries will be received for the Nationals.

John

As for numbers, it's already there easily, I know a dozen shooters myself keen on it and there are many others interstate.

If Australia wants to compete in a world platform in scoped rifle it only makes sense to start shooting the international sport!!

I talk to lot of people who don't target shoot simply because we don't shoot a world recognized version. As I have said before, I would love to see it become a commonwealth sport, only one way to make that happen.

DannyS · Post by **DannyS** » Sun May 05, 2013 8:07 pm

From what I see at most prize meetings, TR is either dead or dying, etc for the Queens when they all turn up. However, the NRAA and most State Associations still think its all about TR. Time for a big wake up.

Read the write ups in the ATR magazine, so many times, who won the shoot? Another TR shooter.

Wake up, every class has its winners, not just the old school TR shooters. If we left it up to them the sport would be dead

Cheers
Danny

6shooter · Post by **6shooter** » Mon May 06, 2013 10:33 am

+1 Danny S. I am President of a Rifle Club that has been going since 1905. When I started there just over 7 years ago it was all TR....til I couldn't afford all the items you need to even begin shooting (sling...1 point or two??...jacket.....decent peep sights....decent rifle etc. etc.) I was already a hunter so I built a 7mmRM on the cheap...and have shot F-Open since. EVERY new member from then on has seen me shooting and have also chosen F Class as it "seems" to be a typical rifle with target bullets - not some expensive single purpose rifle. We shoot side-by-side using F centred targets....no problem.
The future of target shooting is F Class for longevity. Older TR shooters with dodgy eyes are simply changing over to scopes...and not shooting TR again. If you don't shoot F at your range...then new shooters will either not join or will shoot TR....due to a lack of options. Let the shooters decide. The growth and acceptance of F will only be a numbers game. With the NRAA having a membership of 5,500, how many are F shooters? At my club it is 4 of 8 regular weekly shooters, from a starting number of zero 7 years ago. How many new TR shooters have joined since then? None - all F Class. Maybe when F shooters start to make up the numbers in the Executive we will start to see changes.
I personally shoot both TR and F-Open so I don't have a particular axe to grind...just the security of the Association.

Barry Davies · Post by **Barry Davies** » Tue May 07, 2013 9:15 am

The revitalized South Bendigo club has gone from two members to over twenty in a short space of time --all F class, including 10 FO.
That's what people want, time to move on.

budget · Post by **budget** » Fri Jun 07, 2013 2:55 pm

yeah maybe you guys should form a break away association like the ''Kerry packer" of rifle shooting, then you could have a prize shoot between 15 shooters a queens event between 55 shooters . hey come to think of it you might even get to ride in a chair ! anyway I suppose we should just roll over and get with the times.

Barry Davies · Post by **Barry Davies** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 12:09 pm

Who wants to form a "break away " association? The future lies with mutual co-operation and respect between the disciplines, irrespective of which discipline has the greater numbers.
Barry

budget · Post by **budget** » Fri Jun 14, 2013 8:56 pm

i couldnt agree more with that statement,its just a pity that some of the comments on this forum didnt adhere to that more closely.

bsouthernau · Post by **bsouthernau** » Sun Jun 23, 2013 12:19 pm

John E wrote: I'll be interested to see how many entries will be received for the Nationals.

I couldn't stay for the Queens and I'm sure there would have been some more F Std entries who didn't shoot the lead-up but - even with restricted entry (which I thought was silly) - in the Presidents F/TR outnumbered F Std 13 to 11.

Barry

Seddo · Post by **Seddo** » Mon Jun 24, 2013 9:27 am

I think Barry has it, we need more "MUTUAL CO-OPERATION".

Seddo · Post by **Seddo** » Mon Jun 24, 2013 9:34 am

John E wrote:Seems to me that a lot of the posters on this topic have no intention of shooting FTR.John

John,
I think you will find there are a few TR and F class shooters that comment on the other discipline that wont shoot it either.

I have built a rifle to shoot F/TR if it takes off. At the moment i can go to Rosedale as i think they are doing it but if not i will use it for shits and giggles.