ICFRA F/TR or F std, what are your preferences?

[John E]

I thought we were talking about F Class, Timothy. I followed your advice to Bob and had a look at the Tas site F Class gradings. I couldn't see a Timothy anywhere. Do you shoot F Class or not?
Grading was introduced to encourage more participation in competition shooting, but if you are not prepared to support it and have a go, which will encourage the Prize Meeting organisers to provide A & B grade prizelists, then don't bother expressing your negative opinions, as they do nothing to improve membership numbers.
Or have I hit a nerve?

John

[timothi3197]

I thought we were talking about F Class, Timothy. I followed your advice to Bob and had a look at the Tas site F Class gradings. I couldn't see a Timothy anywhere. Do you shoot F Class or not?
Grading was introduced to encourage more participation in competition shooting, but if you are not prepared to support it and have a go, which will encourage the Prize Meeting organisers to provide A & B grade prizelists, then don't bother expressing your negative opinions, as they do nothing to improve membership numbers.
Or have I hit a nerve?

John

Now you are just shit stirring

I don't really have to justify to you but just for the record here goes anyway,

I was A grade when I pulled out in June and asked for my name to be removed to limit internet exposure(too many dodgy people trolling the internet for targets), any incorporated club is required to do this if asked(in actual fact they are supposed to ask permission before publishing private information in the public domain in the first place).

My original reason for wading in here was not to get into an argument with you, I am sure Bob can fight his own battles, but to point out that most other clubs who allow silhouette and charging man helmet targets are thriving despite The NRA fixation with not having them and saying they will wreck clubs. If you are thriving as a club and have a 25 year lease (like we have just signed, the Bulldozer starts on Tuesday) then who cares what parallels the public want to draw. I personally think Bob was a tool for speaking to the media in the first place but also I think public perception has changed for the better in many ways recently.

In actual fact I haven't paid membership yet this year and the way things are going probably won't. To cater for my son and his mate learning .22 I have to shoot elsewhere so I am concentrating on those disciplines and using the .308 and 6BR for fly when we can cobble up an informal meet.

But this should end and I am ending it now.

[mike H]

This talk of hitting nerves is getting close to the mark, actually more like having my toes stood on. Whilst I shoot F/class standard and Match rifle, I have and still do shoot Service rifle, under NRAA rules. Figure targets are used, the new rules include the use of Targets, Type A B D and figure 11, 12, 13 and 14.
One group of shooters trying to marginalise another group, does no one any good.
Mike

[timothi3197]

This talk of hitting nerves is getting close to the mark, actually more like having my toes stood on. Whilst I shoot F/class standard and Match rifle, I have and still do shoot Service rifle, under NRAA rules. Figure targets are used, the new rules include the use of Targets, Type A B D and figure 11, 12, 13 and 14.
One group of shooters trying to marginalise another group, does no one any good.
Mike

I love service rifle and persisted for ages despite the grumblings and having to go back to the circular targets. Good clean fun and cheap.

It is getting huge in the SSAA too with a specialist range now setup down south.

[RAVEN]

You both should be aware that even though I offered to run an adult ed course and tried to get a junior .22 short course going it was declined as not worth the effort(all they had to do was give the okay for them to be held). We also wanted general range days etc etc. I had even organised one of my uncle's excavators and a truck free of charge(I was going to drive it) to repair a few mounds and the mantlet- nope not allowed. I even arranged a donation of barbed wire and posts for the 200 yard range- nope not allowed.

It could all have been to the TRA's benefit with just a little positivity, we tried to do a lot but got stymied by arrogance.

F class as it is now is great if you can get past all the attitudes but at the moment in TAS it is just easier to go elsewhere.

Nope tried for two years to improve things but you can only push for so long. I will get off my soapbox and give your ears a rest.

Tim
We experience the same in SA what needs to be push is those that stand in the way of change have a choice be part of it and at least have some control or step aside before you get run over.

Tim have a look what we are up to in SA one group of individuals are sowing some very good crops this is where the future of our sport lay.
http://www.safclass.com.au/devday.html
And clubs should be encouraged to do the same.

Time to give something back

[John E]

This talk of hitting nerves is getting close to the mark, actually more like having my toes stood on. Whilst I shoot F/class standard and Match rifle, I have and still do shoot Service rifle, under NRAA rules. Figure targets are used, the new rules include the use of Targets, Type A B D and figure 11, 12, 13 and 14.
One group of shooters trying to marginalise another group, does no one any good.
Mike

Quite agee Mike.
But I get sick and tired of certain people on this website continually whingeing and talking down F std, particularly when they don't participate in it at a competition level, A or B Grade, and have a go at better performed shooters, when they aren't even in the same league. No doubt they will all come out of the woodwork now.
Service Rifle is a legitimate NRAAdiscipline, and no-one disputes that.
If other organisations provide the opportunity to shoot the disciplines that Timothy has mentioned, then they should be supported by the people who want to shoot those disciplines.

John

[timothi3197]

You both should be aware that even though I offered to run an adult ed course and tried to get a junior .22 short course going it was declined as not worth the effort(all they had to do was give the okay for them to be held). We also wanted general range days etc etc. I had even organised one of my uncle's excavators and a truck free of charge(I was going to drive it) to repair a few mounds and the mantlet- nope not allowed. I even arranged a donation of barbed wire and posts for the 200 yard range- nope not allowed.

It could all have been to the TRA's benefit with just a little positivity, we tried to do a lot but got stymied by arrogance.

F class as it is now is great if you can get past all the attitudes but at the moment in TAS it is just easier to go elsewhere.

Nope tried for two years to improve things but you can only push for so long. I will get off my soapbox and give your ears a rest.

Tim
We experience the same in SA what needs to be push is those that stand in the way of change have a choice be part of it and at least have some control or step aside before you get run over.

Tim have a look what we are up to in SA one group of individuals are sowing some very good crops this is where the future of our sport lay.
http://www.safclass.com.au/devday.html
And clubs should be encouraged to do the same.

Time to give something back

Welldone, couldn't agree more, in other disciplines we have seen the long term rewards, unfortunately the one that is the worst for saying no is the range signatory so we have had to put our efforts elsewhere.

The shitstirrers and knock everything brigade are only in it for short term ego issues and aren't capable of seeing the long term benefit to the sport.

[bobped]

Tim, what Club do/did you belong to in Tassie?

Peddo

[timothi3197]

Tim, what Club do/did you belong to in Tassie?

Peddo

See PM, I do not want my details in the public domain.