NSWRA 2023 King's Sporter Hunter rules

[macguru]

SSRs can change, and at the moment I am only concerned with NSW. Have a nice day.

[Barry Davies]

Actually I think you are more concerned with your personal wants.

[macguru]

Not really. You clearly have no idea.

[AlanF]

NSWRA is well within its right to decide its King Prize competition rules. But they need to be aware that it may cause regrets when national rules are agreed on by the other STAs. For example the NSWRA 7.5Kg rifle weight may be above what is adopted nationally, which would disqualify them from participating elsewhere. I see the problem as twofold - the NRAA not recognising the urgent need to act, and impatient shooters focused mainly on their own wants and needs. Whichever way this turns out, we'll get what we deserve.

[dazza284]

Following the success of SH at the 2022 NSW Queen's Prize, the following are the rules for the 2023 Competition:
and Congrats again to the NSWRA for their inclusivity ....

Below are the revised NSWRA Sporter-Hunter Rules for the 2023 Open Championships/Kings :

1 .Rifles must be commercially produced and available complete with repeating rifles. Single-shot match actions, or action
only builds are not appropriate for this class.
2. If barrels are replaced, they must be no more than 26 inches in length when measured from the bolt face and a
maximum of heavy varmint profile.
3. Scopes may not be used above 30x magnification
4. Bipods must be of a folding commercially produced type with a footprint no more than 300mm wide. The bipod must directly contact the mound with nothing in between the bipod and mound. If the bipod is fitted with spikes, then they must also be commercially produced and no more than 25mm in length.
5. Rear bags are to be of a soft pliable construction on all surfaces (squeeze bag) with no ears. The bag must directly
contact the mound or mat, but no other items e.g. plates or supports.
6. If the rifle is restocked it must be with a commercially produced and available stock.
7. Rifle including bipod, bolt and magazine must weigh no more than 7.5kg
8. Trigger weight to be no less than 500 grams.

So with the weight limit raised by 1kg, for those of us that are set at 6.5kg are we allowed to add weight to our rifle so we are at a even level playing field? Or do we get told no and have the unfair advantage of shooting against some peanut with a TRG or Accuracy International?

So if somebody can afford a rifle like you mentioned what makes them a peanut does that mean somebody shooting other classes with $10,000 worth of scope and rifle does that make them a peanut 2 just asking

[RUSTY OMARK]

What happens nationally has been determined--- it's called SSR's

Spot on brother

[RUSTY OMARK]

Following the success of SH at the 2022 NSW Queen's Prize, the following are the rules for the 2023 Competition:
and Congrats again to the NSWRA for their inclusivity ....

Below are the revised NSWRA Sporter-Hunter Rules for the 2023 Open Championships/Kings :

1 .Rifles must be commercially produced and available complete with repeating rifles. Single-shot match actions, or action
only builds are not appropriate for this class.
2. If barrels are replaced, they must be no more than 26 inches in length when measured from the bolt face and a
maximum of heavy varmint profile.
3. Scopes may not be used above 30x magnification
4. Bipods must be of a folding commercially produced type with a footprint no more than 300mm wide. The bipod must directly contact the mound with nothing in between the bipod and mound. If the bipod is fitted with spikes, then they must also be commercially produced and no more than 25mm in length.
5. Rear bags are to be of a soft pliable construction on all surfaces (squeeze bag) with no ears. The bag must directly
contact the mound or mat, but no other items e.g. plates or supports.
6. If the rifle is restocked it must be with a commercially produced and available stock.
7. Rifle including bipod, bolt and magazine must weigh no more than 7.5kg
8. Trigger weight to be no less than 500 grams.

So with the weight limit raised by 1kg, for those of us that are set at 6.5kg are we allowed to add weight to our rifle so we are at a even level playing field? Or do we get told no and have the unfair advantage of shooting against some peanut with a TRG or Accuracy International?

So if somebody can afford a rifle like you mentioned what makes them a peanut does that mean somebody shooting other classes with $10,000 worth of scope and rifle does that make them a peanut 2 just asking

Mate, I was only using that as an extreme example, I’m positive no one would be stupid enough to try and run an accuracy international in hunter class, if they could spend that sort of coin I’m sure they would run open.
The rules would not even allow a competitor to run a rig like that anyway.
You would have to raise rifle weights, maybe barrel lengths, OMG Crap, I see what’s happening here.

[macguru]

Mate, I was only using that as an extreme example, I’m positive no one would ****** run an accuracy international in hunter class, if they could spend that sort of coin I’m sure they would run open.
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Don 't be so sure about that The 7.5kg limit gives you that leeway and we have a few AIs here that do really well. But as I said we may get a separate class we do not want to "compete" with hunting rifles and its a work in progress, just give the governing bodies a chance to catch up rather than crying "foul" , we are all wanting to have a good time, and these new classes are boosting numbers.

[RUSTY OMARK]

Mate, I was only using that as an extreme example, I’m positive no one would ****** run an accuracy international in hunter class, if they could spend that sort of coin I’m sure they would run open.
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Don 't be so sure about that The 7.5kg limit gives you that leeway and we have a few AIs here that do really well. But as I said we may get a separate class we do not want to "compete" with hunting rifles and its a work in progress, just give the governing bodies a chance to catch up rather than crying "foul" , we are all wanting to have a good time, and these new classes are boosting numbers.

There is a class for that, it’s called F open, that’s what they compete in here to comply with ssr’s

[macguru]

I am sorry if you are confused, I dont think anything I say will help you understand. All the best.

[Barry Davies]

At 7.5 kg you are up in the FTR class. My FTR rifle weighs just over 8 kg with a 26 inch maddco GP --barrel. --- same as a heavy varmint. If I swap bipods and fit a Harris I would come in at 7.5. Who is to say it is not a hunting rifle? Might not look like one but I could still hunt with it. Might not have a magazine but I could still hunt with it. It is commercially made.
SSR's give me the option of a magazine.
Would I be allowed to use it?
Who would want to lug a 7.5 kg rifle around hunting?

[dazza284]

So with the weight limit raised by 1kg, for those of us that are set at 6.5kg are we allowed to add weight to our rifle so we are at a even level playing field? Or do we get told no and have the unfair advantage of shooting against some peanut with a TRG or Accuracy International?

So if somebody can afford a rifle like you mentioned what makes them a peanut does that mean somebody shooting other classes with $10,000 worth of scope and rifle does that make them a peanut 2 just asking

Mate, I was only using that as an extreme example, I’m positive no one would be stupid enough to try and run an accuracy international in hunter class, if they could spend that sort of coin I’m sure they would run open.
The rules would not even allow a competitor to run a rig like that anyway.
You would have to raise rifle weights, maybe barrel lengths, OMG Crap, I see what’s happening here.

[BATattack]

I don't have any issue with it being a competitive class at club through it kings level.

What I have an issue with is the rules being structured in such a way that it does not provide a cost effective and somewhat level playing field for new members looking for join our association.

Anyone who says that "no one will use an AI seriously in this class" needs to ask themselves why no one is shooting a .303 anymore. When there are prizes and glory on the table then people will do what they can to win and usually that's done by bringing better and better gear to keep in front of the competition. It's up to the structure of the rules to set the parameters for the discipline to evolve within.

The NSW rules are fantastic. I can get a rem, true the action, run PTG bolt, sleeve it, drop it in a GRS hybrid stock with a HV 6MM Creed tight neck chamber and run a NF 5.5-22. It should shoot .2-.3. No muzzle brakes? Poor bastards running an off the shelf rifle.

[Valk]

Hi,

Whatever the rules are it will never satisfy everyone. Instead of complaining and whinging how about it. Just follow the rules and shoot it like all those manage to do so at the last Queen.

Agree there should be 2 classes in S/H but unfortunately there just isn't enough people shooting it.

How about we get more people to enter and shoot S/H at the Kings. Once there are more people shooting it, may be there would be justification create different classes and rule changes.

We should be glad that S/H is offered in the Kings instead just a Club level discpline.

[macguru]

Whatever the rules are it will never satisfy everyone. Instead of complaining and whinging how about it. Just follow the rules and shoot it like all those manage to do so at the last Queens.

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Fully agree. 9/10 of the people prepared to enter the queens and pay 200 dollars to compete all had fairly serious rifles, and were experienced competitors. I dont mind what we call it: SH open, PSR or whatever if its what people want to shoot. And I agree there should be an entry level SH as well to encourage club attendance, however.