Drop shot wrote:PeteFox wrote:This post has morphed into the ridiculous but it's a great topic and well worth continuing, but it would be much better without personal attacks and soap boxes.
So here we go with an attempt at analysis without personal attacks.
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"Why did the chicken cross the road?"
Whether the chicken crossed the road or the road moved beneath the chicken depends upon your frame of reference. A. Einstein.
This might explain some of the 'one-eyedness' around here.
However the loudness of personal attacks is not related to the above, but it is the inverse of being able to mount a logical argument.
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So we have some respected pundits in the shooting world who have raised doubts about the validity of some long held beliefs. whether it's tuners, powder load or nodes, doesn't matter. The thing is it challenges long held beliefs. I would have thought it was an opportunity to learn, to improve or shoot more X's.
But no, around here, it goes retrograde, back to the dark ages.
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Reminds me of an historical lesson.
Back in 1842, one CJ Doppler proposed a theory of Doppler shift - you know, that same theory that is at work in your LabRadar, is used in medicine and space exploration. Commonly called red-shift.
He was ridiculed for 26 years because it didn't fit commonly held beliefs, until one W Huggins made observations that proved him correct.
The "commonly held beliefs" (the existence of luminiferous ether) were mumbo-jumbo, but fitted the observations of the believers and so morphed into "fact".
So beware, that ridicule you are dishing out could come back as egg in face.
I suspect that Litz and Co. are correct and if so, they are doing the non believers a favour by correcting a myth. If Litz and Co aren't correct then they are still doing non believers a favour by reinforcing belief in the status quo and giving knowledge of where to look for improvement.
Pete
This is patently not the case, and whilst it MAY SEEM like a personal attack to you or dingo, If i was to say that you had 2 arms, that would be a fact. 2 eyes, fact. Point out you have a shit attitude though, oh no criticism!!! Ad hominemsss!!!! Personal Attacks!!!!!!!
No mate, negative reinforcement to devalidate and discourage poor attitude and conduct - something that has been pointed out quite a bit and to ignore has to be a deliberate choice to miss the mark.
To conduct yourself poorly, then cry you're the victim is the TRUE definition of weakness.
Bryan may be right, he maybe be wrong - information is good and the more information the better.
Poor attitude on the other hand, does not deserve time and respect, and therefore it won't get it - and there has been a united front form against that.
I'm genuinely shocked that anyone would come in here at this point and plant their flag in allegiance of dingo
Going off your responses, you're siding with litz and have similarly taken a condescending tone and approach to the discussion - the mind wanders to whether Dingo may just be a smurf account.
There is no value to be had here regardless, because the litz fan boys just think everyone else is wrong, and the none litzers, despite applying skill knowledge and experience and showing examples and bringing up elements of the tests that maybe be flawed and variables etc etc - will never be right, will never be heard, because the lizters don't want to listen. Don't want to see. They are here to lecture and smugly talk down to people when they try to bring up elements to the discussion.
So gallop through here on your high horse all you want, but targets are up champ and the ones who declared it were the targets themselves.
I'm SHOCKED this this forum has been allowed to continue, but here we are.
just go away and ignore this thread, your whiny opining about nonsense just clogs up the thread where others a putting up challenging and scientific material.
I may be dead wrong, Litz may be dead wrong - that’s more than possible, but you don’t contribute to finding out, you’re just a teenager mentality dishing out memes, go back to Facebook.