Stock advice for 1st F/TR build

F/TR is the international full bore class for .308 and .223, currently being trialled around Australia.
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Stock advice for 1st F/TR build

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Hi all new to the forum and new the the world of f class. I have decided I want to shoot F/TR and have settled on a LH Barnard action and SEB joypod. Advice on stock options to keep within weight and a 1k ish budget would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers

James
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Re: Stock advice for 1st F/TR build

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Probably need to see what the top guys are winning with if you want to get really serious but that might blow your budget ?

Isn't there a light coloured laminated wood stock made in Oz that works well and is fairly stiff ?

Great choice with the action and bipod !

Cheers Rob
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Re: Stock advice for 1st F/TR build

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if your willing to spend $1200 you could pick up a wilddog stock which is the lightest i have seen at 1.8kg
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Re: Stock advice for 1st F/TR build

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Wild dog looks good! Especially as currently advertised on the QRA Qshop for $1100. There is a member at Lang Lang who competed at Canada. I haven't managed to collar him about his set up yet but it may be a step beyond my current budget lol

Cheers for the tips

James
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Re: Stock advice for 1st F/TR build

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James, I use a custom made (by a local friend) timber stock, I have spent the last few years looking and working in stock design for FTR and feel I have refined it to a point where they work very very well and are easy to shoot, the easy tk shoot part is important. Shooting of a bi-pod in simply unforgiving, if we lapse in technique elevation goes to crap, so having a stock design that is easy to shoot, even a little forgiving is important.

The wild dog stocks are good, and they do shoot well, but you need to be on your game with them.

If you are interested in a stock let me know and I can direct you to the guy who makes them for me.

I don't make any money from them, so there is no bias, just happy to help join the dots for shooting peeps.
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Re: Stock advice for 1st F/TR build

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Everything is open for discussion although with the number of Barnard actions locally I'd take some serious persuasion to give up on that and I really like the SEB bipod I have shot off. I am a sucker for a wooden stock and have up to this point never owned anythig else. The metal chassis rifles I have tried have seemed a little twitchy but I put that down to my inexperience in f class lol. Happy to speak with as many people as possible before committing hard earned money! I will PM you my number. Cheers James
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Re: Stock advice for 1st F/TR build

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If I use the wild dog stock, the numbers i get are stock 1.8kg, action 1.406kg, bipod 0.584kg, allow 1kg for scope and mounts gives a max barrel allowance of 3.46kg which sounds like there is scope for a pretty heavy weight barrel but will all the weight in the barrel I'm wondering how it will handle?
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Re: Stock advice for 1st F/TR build

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The "how it will handle" part is what jasmay is emphasizing. Jase put it a whole lot more politely than I would re how many FTR stocks there are out there that will absolutely not be easy to shoot consistently well with !!
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Re: Stock advice for 1st F/TR build

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I shoot Barnards, as a side note..
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Re: Stock advice for 1st F/TR build

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Think I might see if anyone in the club as a wooden stocked F T/R rifel I can try for comparison! So many options...
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Re: Stock advice for 1st F/TR build

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James, I tell u a story. Lord knows I probably go on way too much here at times but your question ( if there is one ) is one I feel well qualified to answer. I'll try and be brief. You can make up your own mind if I'm talking BS or not.

I'm just crossing to F Open ( where I'm fast discovering I have a bloody lot to learn ) after having been shooting FTR for the last 4 years. I built all my own FTR stocks and have in the process learned some stuff. As u do.

Far and away the biggest problem with many FTR stocks is they flex too much !!! Does excessive stock flex matter ? I'd suggest it matters a lot because as soon as something flexes it "loads up". It loads up with stresses and those stresses WILL go feral during recoil.

What I see at the shooting comp is so long as the conditions don't get too hard then a poorly designed stock probably won't hinder the shooter because there's more time to focus on the gun handling. But when the wind starts blowing hard and is switching around quickly then you gotta be quick and get well aimed shots off quickly and that's when the last thing ya need is a stock that requires a LOT of focus and a highly specific technique to get to shoot well. That's when you need a good stock !!!!

This aspect of rifle stock design is I notice an area that needs a lot more attention and doubtless many will have contrary views to mine. Cheers Rob.
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Re: Stock advice for 1st F/TR build

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It all makes sense to me. The challenge is choosing a stock that balances all of the variables. The problem is that it's the 1st part of a build to purchase yet it won't truly be known how it handles until your on the mound with a finished rifle! Somehow I need to choose the material then decide on a maker...
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Re: Stock advice for 1st F/TR build

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Timber stocks can be light, mine are between 1.7-1.8Kg, and are carbon fibre reinforced between the laminations and in the barrel channel.

You could use them and crow bars....
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Re: Stock advice for 1st F/TR build

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Sounds interesting, pictures and prices would be really helpful. Did you get the private message with my phone number? Call me any time from lunch time onwards today (I'm currently on a replacemt bus service :x )
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Re: Stock advice for 1st F/TR build

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Doesn't Mark F make a good alloy stock for a Barnard? Might blow the $1k budget tho in a single purchase.
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