Font plate info for f tr??

[plumbs7]

Just wandering what are the rules regarding front ground plate with spikes to even out the rough ground for your bipod ?? I know Shane G had something last time I saw him compete! Regards Graham.

[ShaneG]

Hey Graham
The rules in effect from next year which I am personally applying are a front plate 300mm front to rear.
Flat top and bottom.
Can't seem to see any mention of spikes but don't really expect spikes to be legal?
50mm either side of bipod legs at widest application - as you know some bipeds widen as they are lowered and vice versa!
Only real problem is Belmont which has such varying positions on the mound.
I have been there on a bare uneven mound with almost no grass through to a bloody bouncy mess 6" thick?
Depends on the distance shooting and where the local clubs regularly shoot on a given mound combined with the seasonal rain etc etc
Management?!
Shane

[plumbs7]

Hey Shane , how ya going ? So basically an aluminium plate 300 in girth and the width of of your bipod within 50 mm , no edge on the plate to pre load . Has to be flat !

I just found at home if I shot with a 1200 level under my bipod I shot pretty good groups. So there something in it. Can you have a rear plate with spikes as in f open and standard ?
Regards Graham.
Ps you going to Nats?

[ShaneG]

Can't find anything specific but i recall under IFCRA rules no spikes allowed?

Trying to load ammo at moment - going to drive down with enough to shoot Nationals plus Teams and QRA in August.

Big job for both Vick and myself!

[bsouthernau]

F 2.9 "...... No levelling screws or protrusions are allowed on these boards or plates. They must be flat on the top and bottom."

Clearly this excludes spikes. Someone correct me if I'm wrong on this but I don't think these rules will be in force by August. The equivalent in the 2009 edition is F 2.19 which states:

" Any number and type of object(s) (of any material) may be placed beneath each rest ....."

A plate with spikes would fit into the category of any type of object and therefore be legal to use.

Barry

[mike H]

ICFRA F class technical rules 2014
F2.9
I believe this covers it. No spikes or protrusions,flat top and bottom.
As far as I am concerned,it is ICFRA rules only,not a mismatch of ICFRA and Australian anything goes rules.
Mike.

[ShaneG]

Hi Mike
I think what Barry is alluding to is the fact these rules take effect next year?
Shane

[mike H]

Hi Mike
I think what Barry is alluding to is the fact these rules take effect next year?
Shane

It would be good if rules are published by ICFRA that they make it clear whether they are current or not.
I went to the ICFRA site and I quote
ICFRA Rules and Regulations for F Class Rifle Shooting
2014 Edition approved by ICFRA Council 3 Sept. 2014

If that means something else,I am certainly confused.

[plumbs7]

Hey thanks guys for the info . Pre warned is pre armed !



You can see where this is going Shane. It weighs 7.9 kg plus the bi pod so just on the limit ! But sorry , will be f standard at Nats as I have no form in Ftr at the moment!

Looking forward to catching up with you all at the Nationals!
Regards Graham.

[mike H]

Nice rifle Graham,don't worry about your form in FTR,just leap in,if you are used to shooting with a bipod go for it,you will do well.
Mike.

[ShaneG]

C'Mon Graham - got to start sometime!
Just if the rifle is 7.9kg and and I don't see any bipod getting you under 8.25kg?
I have been using a bipod for almost 4 years and I am still learning how to master them?
See you in Brissie - u shooting Natives 13th and 14th? We plan to but maybe not the shorts on Sat?

Good looking rifle there!!

[Tim L]

Hi Mike
I think what Barry is alluding to is the fact these rules take effect next year?
Shane

It would be good if rules are published by ICFRA that they make it clear whether they are current or not.
I went to the ICFRA site and I quote
ICFRA Rules and Regulations for F Class Rifle Shooting
2014 Edition approved by ICFRA Council 3 Sept. 2014

If that means something else,I am certainly confused.

I would say it means exactly what it says Mike, the issue being that we don't shoot under ICFRA rules; we shoot under SSR. This being the case

20.40 Any number and type of object(s) (of any material) may be placed beneath each rest to compensate for variations in the height, slope or surface of the firing point, also beneath and around any rear sandbag or beanbag to reduce its rolling, but such objects may not touch the rifle fore-end or butt.

should applie.

I would imagine the next version will copy the ICFRA rules, and we will be on flat plates with no screws or spikes. It's a bit odd that you can have spikes on the feet of the bipod, but not on the plate, but them's the rules.

My plate for nationals and Queens will have spikes, but I'll have a heavy flat plate in the car just in case.

See you there
Tim

[Tim L]

C'Mon Graham - got to start sometime!
Just if the rifle is 7.9kg and and I don't see any bipod getting you under 8.25kg?
I have been using a bipod for almost 4 years and I am still learning how to master them?
See you in Brissie - u shooting Natives 13th and 14th? We plan to but maybe not the shorts on Sat?

Good looking rifle there!!

The Mpod comes in at 360g,,,, get rid of the scope shade and it may just squeeze in

I'll have mine as a backup at Nationals. You're more than welcome to give it a workout if you want Graham.

[mike H]

Hi Mike
I think what Barry is alluding to is the fact these rules take effect next year?
Shane

It would be good if rules are published by ICFRA that they make it clear whether they are current or not.
I went to the ICFRA site and I quote
ICFRA Rules and Regulations for F Class Rifle Shooting
2014 Edition approved by ICFRA Council 3 Sept. 2014

If that means something else,I am certainly confused.

I would say it means exactly what it says Mike, the issue being that we don't shoot under ICFRA rules; we shoot under SSR. This being the case

20.40 Any number and type of object(s) (of any material) may be placed beneath each rest to compensate for variations in the height, slope or surface of the firing point, also beneath and around any rear sandbag or beanbag to reduce its rolling, but such objects may not touch the rifle fore-end or butt.

should applie.

I would imagine the next version will copy the ICFRA rules, and we will be on flat plates with no screws or spikes. It's a bit odd that you can have spikes on the feet of the bipod, but not on the plate, but them's the rules.

My plate for nationals and Queens will have spikes, but I'll have a heavy flat plate in the car just in case.

See you there
Tim

Precisely my original point,FTR is an International match,yet the Australian rules director writes rules that may be interpreted in a different way. Whether that was the intention or not,the gate is open.
However proposed rule 20.39 says :The rear bag may not be joined to the front bipod nor may be spiked to the ground.
With a World Championship coming up it would seem advisable to follow the ICFRA rules.
Mike.

[bsouthernau]

Precisely my original point,FTR is an International match,yet the Australian rules director writes rules that may be interpreted in a different way. Whether that was the intention or not,the gate is open.
However proposed rule 20.39 says :The rear bag may not be joined to the front bipod nor may be spiked to the ground.
With a World Championship coming up it would seem advisable to follow the ICFRA rules.
Mike.

But with the National teams matches coming up why handicap yourself by refusing to use a bit of kit that would help you and is quite legal under the SSRs.

Barry