What powder do yoiu use

Roy cobb · Post by **Roy cobb** » Sat Jun 28, 2014 7:21 pm

Just getting started in F class with a 223 would like to know what powder and primers every one uses. and to suit the rules for F/TR OR f standard as well (Say a 223 30" barrel 1in 7 twist 80 grain VLD bergers) And how far do you shoot the 223

ned kelly · Post by **ned kelly** » Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:48 pm

G'day Roy,
I was told by Bill Hallam some years ago , around 25gn of AR2208, CCI450 primers with Sierra MK 80gn bullets.
Pretty close to all known loads I've witnessed in several rifles that shoot well.
Naturally, start at 24 gns and work up to this point looking for pressure signs.
.223 is a great little cartridge.
Good luck & enjoy the ride.
Cheerio Ned

bobeager · Post by **bobeager** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 9:50 am

I use 24 grns 2206H, CCI 450 primers, Lapua match brass and either Sierra 80 grn MK or Berger 80.5 grn. Chamber is a Wylde throated out with a throating reamer. Experiment with seating depth.

Macca · Post by **Macca** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 4:59 pm

bobeager wrote:I use 24 grns 2206H, CCI 450 primers, Lapua match brass and either Sierra 80 grn MK or Berger 80.5 grn. Chamber is a Wylde throated out with a throating reamer. Experiment with seating depth.

Doesnt having a wylde chamber make it f open

KHGS · Post by **KHGS** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 6:06 pm

Macca wrote:
bobeager wrote:I use 24 grns 2206H, CCI 450 primers, Lapua match brass and either Sierra 80 grn MK or Berger 80.5 grn. Chamber is a Wylde throated out with a throating reamer. Experiment with seating depth.

Doesnt having a wylde chamber make it f open

It is still .223 it was designed by Bill Wylde to suit 80 grain bullets. The Wylde .223 was one of the first reamers designed to suit 69 & 80 grain bullets, This does not make it an F-Open chambering.
Keith H.

RAVEN · Post by **RAVEN** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 7:16 pm

Roy I don't shoot standard or F/TR but I will give you some solid advice learn to develop a load for your own rifle
Grapevine reloading as I refer to it is somewhat ok for TR but what you want is the most accurate load for that system learn how to do it then you can apply this to any calibre and you will learn a lot along the way

RB

Brad Y · Post by **Brad Y** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 9:03 pm

RAVEN wrote:Roy I don't shoot standard or F/TR but I will give you some solid advice learn to develop a load for your own rifle
Grapevine reloading as I refer to it is somewhat ok for TR but what you want is the most accurate load for that system learn how to do it then you can apply this to any calibre and you will learn a lot along the way

RB

Much wisdom in these words, there is.

Whats good in one gun may luckily enough be good in another. But one day it could catch you out. Tune a load for your rifle. Start with one case, one powder, one primer and one projectile. Test it out and if its no good change one component at a time.

Roy cobb · Post by **Roy cobb** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 6:04 pm

Brad Y wrote:
RAVEN wrote:Roy I don't shoot standard or F/TR but I will give you some solid advice learn to develop a load for your own rifle
Grapevine reloading as I refer to it is somewhat ok for TR but what you want is the most accurate load for that system learn how to do it then you can apply this to any calibre and you will learn a lot along the way

RB

Much wisdom in these words, there is.

Whats good in one gun may luckily enough be good in another. But one day it could catch you out. Tune a load for your rifle. Start with one case, one powder, one primer and one projectile. Test it out and if its no good change one component at a time.

I understand what you are saying and that every rifle is different but when you are just starting out I would like as much information as possible and was just after information as to what people had done for there rifle and see how that looks with the way I'm going as there is a lot of experience out there to draw on. So thanks for your help every one

saum2 · Post by **saum2** » Tue Jul 01, 2014 8:25 am

I use 2206H & BR4 primers & Sierras. I believe the .223 needs to be fairly fast to be super accurate, that's what I've found. Try ADI cases & as already mentioned, u need to experiment yourself but don't stop at a lower node because of 1 good group. Push it to the max to see what it can do, then decide. I believe barrels are consumerables but others may disagree.
I run mine at 3100 FPS, some will say too fast but it's accurate in my rifle.
Geoff

Macca · Post by **Macca** » Tue Jul 01, 2014 10:22 am

Rebel105 wrote:I use 2206H & BR4 primers & Sierras. I believe the .223 needs to be fairly fast to be super accurate, that's what I've found. Try ADI cases & as already mentioned, u need to experiment yourself but don't stop at a lower node because of 1 good group. Push it to the max to see what it can do, then decide. I believe barrels are consumerables but others may disagree.
I run mine at 3100 FPS, some will say too fast but it's accurate.
Geoff

Jesus. with a 80gr projectile?

Seddo · Post by **Seddo** » Tue Jul 01, 2014 11:15 am

I can do 3085fps with 80gr proijies, 2208 and Rem 7 1/2 primers but i found accuracy wasnt the best at that velocity.

Brad Y · Post by **Brad Y** » Tue Jul 01, 2014 12:11 pm

Roy- honestly I did start out that way. The internet is full of information on loads to try, but the bottom line is you never get the full benefit of your rifles accuracy unless you work through and develop the correct load for it. Of course you may be lucky every now and then and one load for someone else will work ok, but learning and understanding the load development process and tuning a rifle will help make you a better reloader, rifle tuner and shooter as a whole.

There are people on here that have gone to the trouble of using pressure tracking instruments, multiple barrels, thousands of projectiles, primers, cases and kilos of powder in order to understand their rifles and chamberings better. They are now consistently up there with the best in the world. I say you put in the effort and hard work now and you will get the best of it on the firing line- whether it ends up being the same as someone elses load or not.

saum2 · Post by **saum2** » Tue Jul 01, 2014 1:24 pm

Roy, as Brad Y & others have said, u have to do the work to find what suits your rifle. I have used & tested my .223 gear quite a lot, I will say one thing u should follow, reloading accurately is most important, especially powder weights & projectiles. I found it's like reloading for F-Open.
Geoff

RAVEN · Post by **RAVEN** » Tue Jul 01, 2014 4:23 pm

Brad & Geoff spot on Grape reload at your peril
Ruin cases damage your gear or put yourself and other in danger
your are work with a recipe to create an explosion don’t be lazy do the work and learn some skills that will put you in good stead in the future talk to those that are successful they will be more than willing to assist newbies.

RB

Roy cobb · Post by **Roy cobb** » Tue Jul 01, 2014 5:17 pm

Don't get me wrong Iam not after the loads for my rifle I have been working on load development for it for the past few weeks but as Iam somewhat new and at this stage don't have too many people to check with (this will change soon) I was interested in what others do as a help and some guidance form more experience shooter nothing more. I have a lot to learn and Iam enjoying the experience on the way Again thanks for your help