WEAVER SCOPES
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WEAVER SCOPES
I have looked at many scopes in my bench rest travels of late and have seen many and asked lots of questions, there is good and bad in them all, some drop dead more than others, ime at a point where i would rather own one that didn't look as good to look through provided it was going to be reliable , last weekend at Wagga 2day bench i seen four scope drop dead and four very unhappy people, but interesting enough comments on weaver 36 and 24x were good, also sightron seemed to be reliable, does any weaver owner have any comments ?, by the way the four scopes that died were not the cheap ones, i think there was over $7000 worth of scopes, Chop
Pretty sure, one i watched shoot the shit out of the frame work, one went milky , one i looked through while on the bench and flicked with my finger and watched the cross hair jump from side to side and the other was on one of my rifles went blurry if you gave it a little tap on top, and you could make it clear up and look pretty again with another little tap, ever had a weaver drop dead Matt ?ps there was another that you wound down 4 clicks and when you wound up it wouldn't move up again until the 3rd click then it went the lot, Chop.
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ned kelly
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G'day All,
Dazza from this forum had a weaver 36x fail and we only noticed it with a 22 Anschutz 64MPR when compared to an old 6.5-20 Leupy. The groups shot with the weaver were at least 50% bigger, same ammo and a 6.5-20 shrunk the groups noticeably.....go figure!
Now we're both BR shooters (Dazza got me started in target shooting) we had BR flags out and we kinda know how to shoot; Dazza was on the '97 Aussie BR team to the World Championships..........so it had to be the scope.
FWIW we were both shooting 64MPR's and mine had a new 6.5-20 EFR on it and was shooting about the same..........just the weaver was showing larger groups - at least 50% bigger than anything I shot or the ole leupy was shooting.
Fact: Scopes fail regardless of the $$$$ paid for them!
Cheerio Ned
Dazza from this forum had a weaver 36x fail and we only noticed it with a 22 Anschutz 64MPR when compared to an old 6.5-20 Leupy. The groups shot with the weaver were at least 50% bigger, same ammo and a 6.5-20 shrunk the groups noticeably.....go figure!
Now we're both BR shooters (Dazza got me started in target shooting) we had BR flags out and we kinda know how to shoot; Dazza was on the '97 Aussie BR team to the World Championships..........so it had to be the scope.
FWIW we were both shooting 64MPR's and mine had a new 6.5-20 EFR on it and was shooting about the same..........just the weaver was showing larger groups - at least 50% bigger than anything I shot or the ole leupy was shooting.
Fact: Scopes fail regardless of the $$$$ paid for them!
Cheerio Ned
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ned kelly
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G'day Chop,
well the weaver seems to be great value for money as that particular weaver scope is the ONLY weaver I've seen fail and yet there still seems to be plenty of them on the firing line.
However, the new Leupold 45x (I'd prefer 35x) scopes preform well in BR with a sizeable following but it surprised me at the 2010 BR nationals that around 40% of the shooters were using March scopes, and talking to BRT, Stuart & Annie, they were very surprised for the demand for March scopes up to Easter 2010.
The demands of a BR capable scopes are extreme, but the humble weaver seems to still be in use in BR and shooting some very good aggregates and groups. If a weaver scope fails, it ain't going to break the bank either.
And remember BR scopes must not have any internal movement or the groups/aggregates blow out. In F class, aiming at a 1/2 moa super v this is not as critical in my opinion and probably wouldn't be noticed 90% of the time even if the scope "failed". To me a failed scope usually means spraying bullets all over the place without any sign of a group forming.
I believe Wally Seibert said the weaver has the best factory internal design so that MUST count for something. FWIW Wally repaired & boosted BR scopes and repaired them here and in the US in the 70's, 80's and 90's so I reckon he should know scope design and repair issues well.
End of the day if the scope tracks well, returns to zero well and bullets go with the conditions, then the scope is probably working well enough for the ability of the shooter.........what ever that means
hope this helps
Cheerio Geoff
well the weaver seems to be great value for money as that particular weaver scope is the ONLY weaver I've seen fail and yet there still seems to be plenty of them on the firing line.
However, the new Leupold 45x (I'd prefer 35x) scopes preform well in BR with a sizeable following but it surprised me at the 2010 BR nationals that around 40% of the shooters were using March scopes, and talking to BRT, Stuart & Annie, they were very surprised for the demand for March scopes up to Easter 2010.
The demands of a BR capable scopes are extreme, but the humble weaver seems to still be in use in BR and shooting some very good aggregates and groups. If a weaver scope fails, it ain't going to break the bank either.
And remember BR scopes must not have any internal movement or the groups/aggregates blow out. In F class, aiming at a 1/2 moa super v this is not as critical in my opinion and probably wouldn't be noticed 90% of the time even if the scope "failed". To me a failed scope usually means spraying bullets all over the place without any sign of a group forming.
I believe Wally Seibert said the weaver has the best factory internal design so that MUST count for something. FWIW Wally repaired & boosted BR scopes and repaired them here and in the US in the 70's, 80's and 90's so I reckon he should know scope design and repair issues well.
End of the day if the scope tracks well, returns to zero well and bullets go with the conditions, then the scope is probably working well enough for the ability of the shooter.........what ever that means
hope this helps
Cheerio Geoff
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Steve 2141
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Chopper
The scopes that failed, were the shooters holding for windage or were they winding? I think that the latter is the main cause of premature scope failure
Cheers
The scopes that failed, were the shooters holding for windage or were they winding? I think that the latter is the main cause of premature scope failure
Cheers
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Hi Chop
I have had a Weaver 36 power for 6 years now on top of a 30x284 and it is now on top of my 300WSM that I have been shooting most weekends in F Class Club, OPM and Queens.
It has always returned to my 300 meter zero and windage has always returned to zero.
I like the Weaver's a lot.
Cheers
Paul
I have had a Weaver 36 power for 6 years now on top of a 30x284 and it is now on top of my 300WSM that I have been shooting most weekends in F Class Club, OPM and Queens.
It has always returned to my 300 meter zero and windage has always returned to zero.
I like the Weaver's a lot.
Cheers
Paul
Time's a wasted wot's not spent shooti'n BARNARD 300WSM's
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Lynn Otto
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Chopper wrote: maybe they should make everything fixed , power ,windage, and elevation, wouldn't you be aiming at some strange things to get a hit
Funny but true, when I first started shooting, I was aiming at rocks, clumps of grass etc on the hill behind the range to get it on target, this was only a problem when the shadows changed and I lost my holdoff picture.
Ah, the good old days.
Honestly though we have had many scopes and I don't think we have ever had one 'fail', we have outgrown them but never broken them. With the better scopes I wonder if it is more a case of how they are looked after or maybe just bad luck. I find it incredible that 4 scopes could fail at one event.
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G'Day All,
sometimes (and I've been guilty of it
) the shooter looses all confidence in his/her equiment and quickly blames the scope because it is the most likely candidate, rather than blaming the grey stuff between their ears!
The only way to check is with one of theose scoe checkers that allows 2 scopes to mounted on 1 rifle to see if the cross hars are moving around.
I basically remount a scope and go an check it on a good bench with good wind flags, often I find it ok but the fault was either the shooter or misreading the range flags.
Nevertheless the scope is the weakest mechanical part of the whole system and should within reason be constantly monitored for performance. Having a spare scope that is regularly swapped around to validate the main scope as well as ensuring it's zero hasn't changed. i have the spare scope in a set of rings pre-zeroed ready to swap in an instant.
Food for thought anyway.
Cheerio Geoff
sometimes (and I've been guilty of it
) the shooter looses all confidence in his/her equiment and quickly blames the scope because it is the most likely candidate, rather than blaming the grey stuff between their ears!
The only way to check is with one of theose scoe checkers that allows 2 scopes to mounted on 1 rifle to see if the cross hars are moving around.
I basically remount a scope and go an check it on a good bench with good wind flags, often I find it ok but the fault was either the shooter or misreading the range flags.
Nevertheless the scope is the weakest mechanical part of the whole system and should within reason be constantly monitored for performance. Having a spare scope that is regularly swapped around to validate the main scope as well as ensuring it's zero hasn't changed. i have the spare scope in a set of rings pre-zeroed ready to swap in an instant.
Food for thought anyway.
Cheerio Geoff
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