Advice on informal F-class Open rifle?

[300WM]

Hello Gentlemen,
I am new to this sight and am very interested in getting into F-class Open. I did compete quite a few years ago, but only informally.
I am now looking at building a dedicated rifle for this, but would like to start with a tuned factory rifle that I have.
It's a Rem 700 SenderoII in 300WM, 26" barrel and 1:10" twist. At present it performs beautifully with Nosler 200gr Accubonds, around .5MoA right out to 800yrds if I do my part.
My question is:
Do you guys think this outfit will stack up?
I'm not looking to break any records with it, but would like to be competitive.

Also what types of front rest are recommended, solid benchrest style or bi-pod?
Any and all info welcome.
Cheers.
300WM.

[Woody_rod]

.5 MOA to 800 yards ???- sell it for $10,000 and get a custom built for $5,000

[M12LRPV]

Hello Gentlemen,
I am new to this sight and am very interested in getting into F-class Open. I did compete quite a few years ago, but only informally.
I am now looking at building a dedicated rifle for this, but would like to start with a tuned factory rifle that I have.
It's a Rem 700 SenderoII in 300WM, 26" barrel and 1:10" twist. At present it performs beautifully with Nosler 200gr Accubonds, around .5MoA right out to 800yrds if I do my part.
My question is:
Do you guys think this outfit will stack up?
I'm not looking to break any records with it, but would like to be competitive.

Also what types of front rest are recommended, solid benchrest style or bi-pod?
Any and all info welcome.
Cheers.
300WM.

The 6 ring of the IFCRA targets is 0.8MOA and the super v (without checking) is about half that.

If it's working for you now then use it as is for a while before deciding on something new.

[Woody_rod]

Actually, the 6 ring changes sizes in MOA between ranges.

http://www.nraa.com.au/pubs/icfra/ICFRA ... nsions.pdf

Say from 0.86MOA (roughly) at 300 yards to over 1 MOA at 800 yards, but the average is below 1 MOA.

[300WM]

Thanks guys!
I hope you realise that when I stated it will shoot .5MoA @ 800yrds I did mean with no wind present.
I have my own personal range with steel gongs set up @ 300yrds, 600yrds and 800yrds, these also include a crude 10' x 10' target at which I test my loads using the ladder technique.

On another note, I was thinking of using my 22-250 for the 300yrd-500yrd shoots, do you think this is a good idea?
I am limited to 60gr BT's, they are the only pill that will stabilise in my 1:14" twist barrel.

Cheers.
300WM.

PS, can anyone inform me of which is the closest range to either Mansfield or Melbourne that uses a 1000yrd range?
Thanks.

[RAVEN]

The 6 ring is 1.25MAO @ 800yards the Super V is half of that

To answer your question the 300 would be competitive but it would be up to the drive to get them in the middle.

I started with 7mm rem mag sendaro the biggest issue was that the stock is not well designed for prone scope shooting.

My out of the box Remmy would put down the occasional .2 MOA group with some load development.

But I would not consider that rifle to shoot under .5MOA consistently
With the introduction of the ICFRA target the focus is on wind reading and the 6 ring and not the .5 MOA SuperV so if you can hold a consistent .75 MOA you will be in the ball game but compared to the dedicated FO rig you wouldn’t get as many Super V's
Cheers
RB

[Paul Janzso]

Hi
To make your rifle competitive in F O, you would have to ditch the Rem stock and bed the action tn a MBR Tracker style stock (site sponsor procal trading) for starters.
Forget a bypod, Harris style. A F Class type would get you started, but the whole idea of the Tracker stock is to use it in a front bench type rest.
There are many brands on the market from very cheep that you have to replace just about all the components, to the SEB bench rest and dearer makes and models.
Then you will need a rear sand bag, the do-nut type is most popular (procal trading). The rear rest model depends on how your stock is finished. Most of the MBR stocks have the bottom of the but flatened to 15mm or 5/8 inch wide, not v shaped. so then you will need a 3 stich bunny rear bag .
By what you have said in your post, your scope is capable to take the long shots, I guess without running out of elevation as most rifle builds include a 20 min scope rail on the action, so there is a good start.
I am using a 300WSM with 210gn Berger VLD's or Sierra VLD's Seb front rest and donut 3 stich rear bag. it's working quite well at the moment (touch wood, safclass.com.au for a pic)
As for the 22-250 and 60gn pills, try it at the 300 or 400 meter line in strong wind conditions to see how the pill gets knocked about compared to your 300WM .
So get on the blower to the site sponsors for more info and pricing, Pro Cal can also do the complete stock work for you. I'v seen his work at the Vic Queens, it's good.

Cheers
Paul

[mike H]

300WM Corryong goes to 1200 yards. Give them a try. Mike.

Thanks guys!
I hope you realise that when I stated it will shoot .5MoA @ 800yrds I did mean with no wind present.
I have my own personal range with steel gongs set up @ 300yrds, 600yrds and 800yrds, these also include a crude 10' x 10' target at which I test my loads using the ladder technique.

On another note, I was thinking of using my 22-250 for the 300yrd-500yrd shoots, do you think this is a good idea?
I am limited to 60gr BT's, they are the only pill that will stabilise in my 1:14" twist barrel.

Cheers.
300WM.

PS, can anyone inform me of which is the closest range to either Mansfield or Melbourne that uses a 1000yrd range?
Thanks.

[RDavies]

I agree with all the comments about the 300WM, but I think you could have a good time with the 22/250 at club level and prize shoots. In good weather, you dont always need the extra wind bucking ability. The 22/250 should buck the wind similar to a 6BR or 6 dasher at short ranges. (up to maybe 500yds) Since the 22/250 will be shot out in a season or two (barrels are a consumable, like race car tyres), you will be able to get the hang of F class, then decide if you want to rechamber it in 6BR, 6 dasher, 6.5x55, 6.5x284 etc.
If sporting rifle F class takes off, you will have a good gun for that.

[Paul Janzso]

My concern with the 22-250 is a 1:14 t barrel and the ability to stabilize only the 60gn pills.
In my opinion they will not stack up against the 105-115gn 6mm projectiles or even the 224 cal, 80gn Amax or Sierra's.
Sure shoot the barrel out at the short ranges, pull all your hair out doing so because your last shot was an X, and your next shot is a 3.
Then replace the barrel with a suitable F Class open chambering.
But then it all comes down to wind reading, it doesn't matter what chambering you have pushing the highest bc bullet, if you dont see the wind change, you will not get a X.

Cheers
Paul

[ned kelly]

G'Day all,
C'mon, guys dont put the new members down, when thay ask is xyz good enough to shoot F class, tell them how to make it happen not cold shoulder them, we've got to encourage the newbies!

Gawd we all started as newbies years ago too, its good to see they have the guts to write a post asking how to start out. Rant over!

Anyway, 300WM my mate Dazza came 2nd shooting 3/5/600 at Castlemaine some years ago with a 100/200 yd BR rifle shooting a 6ppc and 70gn SMK bullets, which ballistically is like shooting a .222 with 52gn bullets.............so the 22-250 should be able to get you started no worries!

Best of all, he surprised quite a few more fancied shooters with his pip squeak cartridge and inappropriate bullets.

I'd suggest giving it a go because it WILL teach you to read the wind which will make it so much easier when you do get the right gear.

300WM, try and get the highest BC .224 60gn bullet you can for the 22-250 that your barrel will shoot accurately and away you go. It certainly made a big difference in Dazza's 6ppc later on.

hope this helps!

Cheerio Geoff