OzFclass

Today i have had talks with Paul from Corryong rifle club about putting on a 1000yd meeting for FO and FS only ,we think if time allows and depending on interested numbers it will be held over 1000yds x 3 , 4 if possible, and if numbers are interested possibley a couple of 1100s to send you home with the next morning,maybe you have some better ideas remembering Corryong goes back to 1200,this is something that we would like to happen in the not to distant future, what do you think, also we are thinking about using ONE TARGET FOR ALL,( take note Barry) maybe a super V on fullbore targets , that way no confusion for markers and no extra expense for targets and 50.10 would be worth a Clap.Paul.

Tread warily Paul. FS has a happy relationship with TR and personally I prefer to keep it that way.
What would be the reaction to TR only and no FS or FO?
Barry

its already like that Barry and i no what my reaction is, if they want to come and shoot good, but put a scope on ya rifle or put it on a rest, its not sour grapes it to help promote f classes,it a meeting where you can choose youre target and perhaps a super v, no one complains when match rifle conduct a meeting do they .

Funny thing, Jennifer said something similar. Remember Match rifle only shoot over 1000, 1100 and 1200 yds --a totally different discipline to either TR, FS or FO-- some FS and Most FO rifles are not legal for MR.--wrong calibre or barrels too heavy and triggers too light. There is no comparison. So if you want to shoot MR then you need the correct equipment and they don't shoot alongside FS.
Most FS rifles will not shoot beyond 1000 yds ( accurately ) don't know about FO rifles.
FS is ANY sight, suppose FO is also. Are you going to insist on scopes only?
I understand what you are trying to do---promote F Class, and I am all for promotion as you well know. All I am saying is be careful that F Class is not alienated from FB as there are a lot of people around who still cannot come to terms with the fact that some of us prefer to do it differently, and would like nothing better than to see us go away.Would cause a few PM's to run at a loss if we did, wouldn't it?
I just think that there are other ways to promote F Class than getting away on your own.
Currently the VRA are looking at options for the DRA teams which include shooting TR one day and F Class another--again I am not sure that this is the way to go.
FS really needs no promotion as it is doing OK. FO is the discipline that needs to be promoted more, and that is all I am going to say on that subject.
Now, if you were to promote an F Class State Championship ( with the sanction of the VRA ) then that is a totally different concept and one that I would support. Put some prestige to it. You could have long range C/ship or short range c/ship or all range c/ship, over a couple of days ( at least )
I have it on good authority that the ( vic ) Queens is only for TR. IE an F class shooter cannot win a Queens---we are there only to make up numbers and are not recognised as Queens winners. ( as such )
If you want to promote F Class, then give it some prestige-not a country meeting in the backblocks ( apologies to Corryong )
Barry

Barry This is Vicki McCarthy i dont normally post anything but read, but now i just cant bite my tonque any longer, will you stop bad mouthing everything people are trying to promote, because you see it as a threat, let us try stuff and stop putting your comments on trying to ruin things, if u where that concerned where were u at the prize meeting for rosedale, and police shoot today. like the old saying is pratice what u preach, f open is really getting sick of ur in put to say the least

Barrie,

I understand the point that you are making and I do accept the fact that the old dinosaurs in TR will try to knock down anything that is new and different. However I (as a TR shooter) don't accept that we just have to keep bowing to them. You said it yourself when you stated that without F-class attendance prize meetings would run at a loss.

I come from a club that would not exist without F-Class shooters.

If the F-Class shooters want to have a shoot on their own good luck to them. I was raised on a shooting culture that had closed prize meetings and invitation-only shoots and it was O.K. then and it is still O.K.

The important thing is that we all shoot on the same ranges and over the same distances, we just use different equipment and targets.

The key to the survival of our LR shooting is to concentrate on our similarities and not use our different rules to divide us.

Cheers

Peter Hulett

Why do you people get so upset when I express an opinion? It is only an opinion, which I am entitled to, it's neither right nor wrong--an opinion.
Vicki,we , the Davies, support something like 10 or 12 PM's a year and at least 2 Queens, sometimes 3. We support with entries and for 3 of them with trophy donations as well. As you wouldn't know that I forgive your little tirade about " practice what you preach".
Peter, Your post is just a heap of crap and I will not comment.You say one thing and then contradict. Your last paragraph says it all. Is that not what I said?
If you must run a restricted shoot FS and FO only. go for it , anything I say won't make any difference, but for heavens sake run it at a central range that is accessable to all--like Bendigo, then I will not have so far to travel--the old dinosaur is starting to feel his age.
Barry

Barrie you are right. My last paragraph is what you are saying because I was agreeing with you.

My reference to "dinosaurs in TR" was not referring to you. You are a FS shooter.

What I was saying is that the different LR disciplines have to support one another and not be concerned about what some who oppose change may think or say. We do all shoot together quite amicably and we also should be able to shoot separately without worrying about what others might think or say.

Hi all,love the way all the various disiplines get on so well .What ever one's personal views are TR and FS are reliant on each other.Our club would be struggling to survive without the increasing numbers of FS shooters.My son shoots TR,I shoot FS and we go to the same range, shoot the same calibre which for us means we spend time together.We shoot on the same target so we have a draw for position,mark for each other,have A,B,C and FS trophies. As calibres are same we can take advantage of the state rifle associations large TR membership which enables them to keep the cost of reloading down to an almost affordable level.We also attend the same OPM'S which saves on travel costs.
Shot at Lyndhurst OPM 26th/27th in what could only be described as very challenging weather conditions,TR and FS are all intermingled so we score and check score for each other,the social interaction and comradeship is excellent,wouldn't miss it for quids.To quote captains report"F class was the standout division of the weekend with numbers increasing dramatically for a very solid competion"
FS will, and should be affiliated with TR as each,in lots of small clubs means survival.
History is one of my favourite subjects If one goes back to some of the threads in the forum there is a discussion something like "why isn't FO taking off?"Plenty of answers there.Mostly comes back to costs and logistics and it isn't going to get any better.
Only other solution to build up FO might be to have all those who don't shoot off bipods move///Nay, better not go there eh!
Together we stand,divided we fall.Good shooting.Ray

Ray,
You think like I do. Well said, but boy are you in for it.
Barry

Razer wrote:History is one of my favourite subjects If one goes back to some of the threads in the forum there is a discussion something like "why isn't FO taking off?"Plenty of answers there.Mostly comes back to costs and logistics and it isn't going to get any better.

Ray,

Granted F-Std can be cheaper than F-Open, but for TR when you factor in the costs of sights, spotting scopes and jackets etc, it is probably dearer than either F-Class, so I don't buy the cost argument. Exactly what logistics are you referring to?

In Victoria, F-Open numbers are increasing at a healthy rate - you do not need to be concerned on our behalf. I see the Corryong proposal as something to meet the demand for OPMs which F-Open shooters can attend in NE Victoria. The idea has probably come about because the DRA in that area is expressing doubts about running F-Open at OPMs. And I would add that if there is to be an F-Open class at Corryong, that will automatically allow TR, MR and F-Std shooters to enter because their equipment will be legal. So it isn't excluding anyone. And you might be surprised how well a top A-grader will go at 1000yds. The longer the range, and worse the conditions, the more level the playing field . I should add I've never been to Corryong but it sounds like a seriously good range, and I hope we can all get behind this as a positive event for F-Class.

Alan

BARRY BARRY, BOY HAVE YOU OPENED UP A BIG CAN OF WORMS. FIRST OF ALL CORRYOUNG IS A GOOD CHOICE FOR 1000. 1100 1200. AND YES US OPEN RIFLE SHOOTERS ENJOY LONG RANGES, SO THERE IS NO REASON WHY F STANDARD CANT SHOOT THESE RANGES, AND TO SAY THAT CORRYOUNG IS IN THE BACKBLOCKS, WHAT A STATEMENT, WHY BENDGIO, WE ARE WILLING TO TRAVEL, AND I AM SURE OTHERS ARE AS, WELL THESE GUYS HAVE PUT ALOT OF THOUGHT AND HARD WORK INTO THIS, AND I THINK YOU SHOULD UNDERSTAND IT WILL HAPPEN NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY. I THINK YOU SHOULD STAY OUT OF F OPEN AND CONCERTRATE ON UR F STANDARD. TELL ME THIS WHY WHERE THE NUMBERS SO SHORT AT THE VIC POLICE SHOOT ON SUNDAY, WHERE WHERE ALL THESE SHOOTERS IN F STANDARD???????A @B IT WAS SHAMEFUL ????? TO SAY THE LEAST AND YES F STANDARD CAN SHOOT THE LONG RANGES THEY DID IT IN STAWELL????
VICKI McCARTHY

Hi Barry, thanks for the flak alert,reckon I can handle it,was told by my late father that commonsense beats intelligence every time and at my age the hide is fairly thick{but I do tend to bleed easy?}and that doesn't make me bleeding thick!!!!!!
I shot FS back in 1996 after a huge lay off from TR,moved house in 2000 and started as the first FS shooter in Orange in 2003 and I survived{or was that endured?} all the negativity{s--t} imaginable.
I am glad I persisted in what,even then,I saw as the only way I could continue as a competitive shooter and I succeeded.
I believe in fighting for my rights and whats fair.Dare I say it,hell yes,I am actually a long time member of the SSAA and it's time the NRAA and SSAA started working together for the mutual benefit of all aussie shooters.
Good shooting,
Ray.

Vicki, Pls don't yell at me, lower case is just as readable.
I understand it will happen, no matter what I say--I sincerely hope it's successful, honestly. Really I am not trying to get into FO's pants and I do agree that FS shooters should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves for not supporting Vic Police on Sunday and I would not blame them if they did not cater for FS next year.
In answer to your question why the numbers were so short I have no idea as it is not mandatory that they check with me before making a decision on attending a PM or not. My guess is they didn't want to go.
You need to brush up on your" Aussie English" you will find that backblocks is not a derogatory term, rather it means some place a little out of the way.
I hope this now puts the lid back on that big can of worms.
Barry

BARRY,

I Am not going to get into debate with u regarding what we are going to do or not my main concern is everyone is quick to say fopen numbers are down and clubs wont cater to them that is why i asked you where all the f standard members where for vic police???? And as far as my english goes u shouyldnt refer to corryong they way you did, perhaps, if all the clubs would come to agreement about f standard and f open it would be easier the bitching constantly on the form, cause lets face it f standard and f open is here to say, and the sport is growng very nicely. Y ou are saying that f standard shooters dont check with you, but why then do you try and control things we are going to do these shooters to benefit ourselfs and no one else.

vicki.