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A ladder test gone wrong?

Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2021 1:20 pm
by Tim N
Hi All
I was testing a new barrel this week with some different components and thought I’d try a ladder test.
7saum at 900 yds
Load - 180 hyb with 2209 55.3 to 56.5 in .3 gn increments.
My issue with the test was the last 4 went into approx 1”
Weird hey

Re: A ladder test gone wrong?

Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2021 3:03 pm
by Peterla
Hi Tim

Wow 1.2 grains of powder and they all went into a 1 inch group !!!
I do the same but with 2 shots at each load to confirm I am not dreaming when I get groups like this.
What was your speed around the 2970 fps with that load of 09?

Looks like a hummer barrel.

Pete

Re: A ladder test gone wrong?

Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2021 5:16 pm
by Tim N
Hey Peter
56.2 = 2960
56.5 = 2981
I’m guessing there won’t be a repeat of that result

Re: A ladder test gone wrong?

Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2021 6:20 pm
by agro
I would definitely be doing a retest with a higher round count to validate

Re: A ladder test gone wrong?

Posted: Fri Nov 19, 2021 6:29 pm
by Tim N
agro wrote:I would definitely be doing a retest with a higher round count to validate


For sure- early days with this barrel

Re: A ladder test gone wrong?

Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 7:54 am
by lewis reynolds
Tim It was more like 4 into 1/2 inch :D at a 5 shot group of under 3 inch and 900. If you whant to sell that barrel I will make you a fair offer..

Re: A ladder test gone wrong?

Posted: Sat Nov 20, 2021 4:37 pm
by Tim N
After 1500 rounds I’ll get back to you 8)

Re: A ladder test gone wrong?

Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:49 am
by saum2
Gday Tim, is the 2209 old batch or the new BTI powder?
Geoff

Re: A ladder test gone wrong?

Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 1:39 pm
by dazza284
saum2 wrote:Gday Tim, is the 2209 old batch or the new BTI powder?
Geoff

Ok I'll bite what is BTI

Re: A ladder test gone wrong?

Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 2:00 pm
by Tim N
dazza284 wrote:
saum2 wrote:Gday Tim, is the 2209 old batch or the new BTI powder?
Geoff

Ok I'll bite what is BTI


Ballistic temperature independence

Something added to make it more temperature stable- apparently

Yes this batch is bti

Re: A ladder test gone wrong?

Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 5:30 pm
by AlanF
Tim N wrote:...Something added to make it more temperature stable- apparently...

Did I read somewhere that it was required to address a US ban on some chemical ingredients in the old powder?

Re: A ladder test gone wrong?

Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:55 pm
by RDavies
AlanF wrote:
Tim N wrote:...Something added to make it more temperature stable- apparently...

Did I read somewhere that it was required to address a US ban on some chemical ingredients in the old powder?

Not U.S ban, but Europe and U.K ban.

Re: A ladder test gone wrong?

Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:57 pm
by RDavies
Tim N wrote:Hi All
I was testing a new barrel this week with some different components and thought I’d try a ladder test.
7saum at 900 yds
Load - 180 hyb with 2209 55.3 to 56.5 in .3 gn increments.
My issue with the test was the last 4 went into approx 1”
Weird hey

Yea, if a new barrel doesnt behave properly in ladder tests early on, you are only wasting components firing more out of it.
Im after a fire forming barrel, so I will swap you a jug of powder for it if you like.

Re: A ladder test gone wrong?

Posted: Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:19 pm
by saum2
Tim N wrote:
dazza284 wrote:
saum2 wrote:Gday Tim, is the 2209 old batch or the new BTI powder?
Geoff

Ok I'll bite what is BTI


Ballistic temperature independence

Something added to make it more temperature stable- apparently

Yes this batch is bti

Interesting as the new batch I have is over a gr faster than my old batch.

Re: A ladder test gone wrong?

Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:00 am
by Tim N
If my last 4 groove bartlein is anything to go by-it sped up by over 1 gn in the first 150 rounds