ICFRA F/TR or F std, what are your preferences?

[Deano 29]

my bad ray

[Lynn Otto]

I reckon I can design a joystick bi-pod in titanium and carbonfibre that would weigh less than 1.75KG, problem solved I think
Matt P

When you've designed and built that joystick bi-pod Matt can you let me know, I'd be interested.

There's only one problem, it will be pricey (does the same job as what you've got) and then you'll have no money left to buy the Berger projectiles @ $90/100 or the Jewell 2oz trigger or the new barrel to suit the Bergers etc etc

Ah well, it was a good thought but I will stick with what I have until someone decides I shouldn't be allowed to use it anymore. Hopefully by then I will be ready to not shoot any more anyway.

[Razer]

The bread and butter shooters that club shoot,attend OPM's etc. see the problems associated with introducing "another class", we cannot afford to see this base fragmented. How many OPM's cater for FO? and I mean this constructively. Ray.

[Matt P]

Ray
Stop talking logic !!!!

Matt P

[Deano 29]

The old saying i guess.....united we stand.....devided we are conquered. I look forward to the ACT Queens, knowing that there will be a large number of top f class in australia there, and also knowing that even though im new to the sport, in f std everyone has similar rifles, similar ammo and the best wind reader/driver will come out on top, not the guy with deepest pockets

Matt will you be shooting the ACT Queens next month?

Deano

[actionclear]

I have been shooting only 2 years, and the whole time there has been murmurs that F Std will be switching to bipods. Looks like that time has arrived. While I like shooting with my rest, I see no problem with switching to a bipod if that is the direction the sport is moving.

My rifle shoots better than I do, so I can see no reason why that would change with a bipod.

I can also hear the clubs grumbling over yet another F Class division. It's not going to happen. I can just see the looks on WARA face when we ask for yet another divison at the Queens! They still haven't accepted F Std!

You can of course all continue using your rests..... it just means you will be shooting F Open. Less competition for me!

[bobped]

Lets go over a bit of history here.
The NRAA is running the "World Long Range Championships" in Belmont in October 2011.
Please note:- They are running the TARGET RIFLE Championships. They are not running any World F Class Championships.
These TARGET RIFLE Championships are being run under ICFRA Rules.

i.e. The full set of ICFRA Shooting Rules. If you want to see them have a look here:- http://www.nraa.com.au/pubs/icfra/icfra_rules.pdf

As a practice for the 2011 Championships they decided to have a rehearsal in this October 2010. (Its just finished). The NRAA first published that the WHOLE Competition including the Queens would be run under ICFRA Rules. This included F Class.

Some of us pointed out to the NRAA that the ICFRA equivalent of F Standard was F/TR. However the F/TR rules differed quite significantly from our own F Standard SSR Rules. The main things being Bipods, an all up weight of 8.25 kg, no trigger weight, and the use of any weight .308 or .223 projectile.
We pointed out that this would probably cut out 70-80% of F Standard Competitors, mostly on weight. Some of the F Standard rifles using bipods were weighed during testing at Belmont and came in at just below 10KG (Including bipod).
The NRAA realized this and issued a proclamation that both F Classes at Belmont would be run under NRAA - SSR rules. (Our normal rules).

They could do this because it is only Target Rifle that needs to be run under ICFRA Rules. It would seem to be sensible that F Class will again be run under NRAA SSR's in October next year.
The World Long Range Target Rifle Championships will be run under ICFRA rules in Brisbane in October 2011. There is no need to run F Class under ICFRA Rules. After that, the NRAA will revert to running their Queens in June under normal NRAA SSR's.

I don't know of any plans to run F Class under ICFRA rules in October 2011. If there are, I want to try and find out as soon as possible, so that I can cancel my accommodation booking, as I wouldn't be going under those circumstances.

I also don't know of any plans or discussions for F Class to switch to being permanently run under ICFRA Rules, and I would very surprised if they ever did.

Cheers
Bob Pedersen

[Lynn Otto]

I have been shooting only 2 years, and the whole time there has been murmurs that F Std will be switching to bipods. Looks like that time has arrived.

It would be nice if these mysterious murmuring people could put their hands up and tell us why we should switch away from what was agreed to by the majority at the time the rules were set. Plus what vested interest they may have in doing so, who would benefit from such a change and for whom and at what cost would such a change be detrimental.

This sounds like a bad case of Chinese whispers and everyone hearing that someone has said...if enough people say it then we could end up with a self fulfilling rumour that no one actually wanted or needed.

I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be narky here but seriously, why? Whats wrong with what we have, there is absolutely no evidence that anyone has an advantage over another in Standard so why should any one person worry about what any other person is using in the way of rests.

Personally I would be just as happy to use a bi-pod, I did for many years, but now I can't, so I should not be able to shoot in my chosen class. Then perhaps the powers to be will allow dispensation for me just like TR gets it to use a rest or a bench or optics. What we currently have allows the broadest scope of people to shoot while keeping things on a level playing field with equipment, why would anyone want to narrow that to a point of excluding people. What would the sport gain compared to what it could lose.

Lynn

[Barry Davies]

In a nutshell Lynn.
I don't think I would worry too much about any dramatic rule changes taking place as those who would make these changes are a minority with self interests.
As has been said every time these so called necessary changes raise their head ---" Why change when we have something the Majority like, numbers are increasing ( that bothers some ) across the board , numbers at prize meetings are increasing, some are now 50/50 ( that bothers some also ) Numbers would further increase at PM's ( like the Nationals ) if grading was introduced.
Like the old advert. for Mortein -- " When your on a good thing, stick to it "
Most ( not all ) State Associations know which side their bread is buttered on, and are not about to agree to any large scale changes which may affect that.
Like Peddo said on another topic-- " you do and I won't be there "
Barry

[John E]

If you want a good laugh, have a look back to the start of this website -- General Forum, Events, Rules & Future of F Class, FS Rules, FO Rules, Equipment & Technical, Polls, etc, 2005,06 -- the newer F Class shooters will see where we've come from, and it seems to me that we are still talking about the same things.

John

[Lynn Otto]

This is indeed true John, I always smile when the same topic keeps cropping up. But we have new people and reading back there in the dark ages stuff is pretty daunting.

[John E]

Dark Ages? I prefer to think of it as The Good Old Days, Lynn
It should be pointed out though, to those who weren't around at the time, that as F Class was gaining in popularity, NRAA recognised the need to establish a set of SSRs for FO and FSTD, and gave the F Class community free rein to do this. The debates and polls can be seen in the early days of this forum.
To their credit, NRAA put the resulting rules into SSRs word for word.
There was provision for grading in the original draft, and we have now reached the stage, where I am sure, that will be introduced nationally, as Barry says.

John

[bruce moulds]

one thing in favour of fstd as it is now it is more target rifle oriented than tactical.
some who shoot ftr would have us think that the letter t stands for tactical.
the further we stay away from tactical the longer we will last.
bruce moulds.

[Brian]

one thing in favour of fstd as it is now it is more target rifle oriented than tactical.
some who shoot ftr would have us think that the letter t stands for tactical.
the further we stay away from tactical the longer we will last.
bruce moulds.

I thought tactical was done away with in 1996 ???

[RDavies]

It seems that the current rules are by far the most popular, good for me as my new rifle is being built to current rules.
As for the good old days, I thought things were pretty good now in F std. Big turn outs and getting bigger. As has been mentioned, as long as things dont go tactical.