OzFclass

Tim L wrote:Or we're doing something else,,,,, like introducing a tactical class which, if we're honest with our selves, is the only place this is going to end up.

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Exactly.
I think the average hunter's view on what a target rifle looks like is very different from what an F-class shooter thinks. And given that every second rifle in a gun shop looks like a TRG or R-PR, that is where this is heading.

The Kiwi's are already ahead if us here, this is a link to the rules of F-PR in NZ. F-Class Precision Rifle. A simple single page rulebook.
https://www.nranz.com/assets/Rules/2020 ... s-F-PR.pdf
I think this is the way to go.

If SH really got off the ground, all we would have is a large number of shooters with rifles/cartridges that mostly aren't fit for purpose. It's a backward step because they are very likely to end up disappointed and they will tell their mates.
Pete

PeteFox wrote:

Tim L wrote:Or we're doing something else,,,,, like introducing a tactical class which, if we're honest with our selves, is the only place this is going to end up.

Exactly.
I think the average hunter's view on what a target rifle looks like is very different from what an F-class shooter thinks. And given that every second rifle in a gun shop looks like a TRG or R-PR, that is where this is heading.

The Kiwi's are already ahead if us here, this is a link to the rules of F-PR in NZ. F-Class Precision Rifle. A simple single page rulebook.
https://www.nranz.com/assets/Rules/2020 ... s-F-PR.pdf
I think this is the way to go.

If SH really got off the ground, all we would have is a large number of shooters with rifles/cartridges that mostly aren't fit for purpose. It's a backward step because they are very likely to end up disappointed and they will tell their mates.
Pete[/quote]

The NZ approach seems to be a good one , the only down fall is exclusion of muzzle brakes and this itself causes the most division against the PRS crowd . In our club brakes are fully accepted , we have mobile baffles to protect others or they setup away to one side , everyone seems to shoot in harmony

Tim L wrote:Not disagreeing with the suggested limits, just pointing out that both the SAKO TRG and the AI AWM slide in as qualifiers here.
Those are designated sniper rifles with an expected effective range of 1200 yds in 300WM.

For me the central question is what advantage would they have over a typical hunting rifle in a typical chambering (for instance a tikka varmint in 243W) at a 600m TR target? I don't think much at all.

If the target was at a 900m F-Class target then it may well be a different answer.

Also if someone can shoot 2+10 good shoots in a 6.5kg 300WM from a harris bipod then

Tim L wrote:...Either we are encouraging folks with hunting rifles to come and shoot along side us in the hopes that they get the bug. Or we're doing something else,,,,, like introducing a tactical class which, if we're honest with our selves, is the only place this is going to end up.

I think we should try to do both, via two subclasses. The basic class could be very close to Chapter 23, with price limit and more clarity around the details. The advanced class could cater for high budget and more capable equipment. Basic class rules could be agreed and drafted quite quickly. Advanced class may take more time to decide. It needs to be the right recipe from the start - otherwise the horse may bolt in unforeseen and undesirable directions.