Weairy wrote:But how do we scrutineer?! Someone might modify the darts or up the spring tension! It’s not a fair class! We should restrict it to issues KMART guns and darts, that’s the only way
it's one of the major problems with our "rules":
shooters constantly trying to bend them officials not actively enforcing them; no one with the expertise, knowledge and equipment to adjudicate
The energy limit rules is a prime example
Pete
The internet is a stupidity distribution system designed to replace facts with opinions, so that idiots don't have to think.
I think the best question posed yet was WHY? What has changed since the day's of large scale community participation? I actually think a more restrictive class is the answer, factory guns factory ammo, make the rules simple enough they can't be gamed, but accept some will, if the rules are appropriate it won't decide anything, rim gauging was popular for MKv11 303 but I don't think any sane adult would suggest it was the difference between winning and losing with the guys who were. More rules are simply an opportunity for gaming, think lawyers!
What about something like a lithgow Woomera in 6.5mm creedmoor with a vortex viper PST 5-25x50 and a Harris bipod. The vortex are available in MOA and Mil, both SFP and FFP which can be the shooters choice.
It's a rifle that has the ballistics and functionality to be used in F class, PRS factory and in the field. ie new shooters can buy ONE rifle that further reduces overall cost and allows them to master one rifle.
Being that it's produced domestically we might have a slight hope of building a mutual beneficial relationship with Lithgow that would allow us some input into the rifle and also potential sponsorship or promotion of the rifle and sport.
Ammo. . . .. 6.5 creed is a modern design and tolerance round ballistically capable of making 1000yds with standard 24-26" barrels and 130-140gr projectiles. Given its overall popularity and the availability of decent projectiles there is potential that ADI might consider making ammo. No they won't be loaded with Berger but Sierra, nosler and Hornady all produce bullets that would be fit for purpose.
Until the Supply shortage of components ends I wouldn't go trying to re invent the wheel and introduce more restrictions and classes or limiting people to certain calibres/cartridges. The government is already doing a great job or taking away our Shooting freedoms and they will never STOP with this agenda. We here in W.A. are now the test case for restrictive gun control and the main tool they are using is making it very hard to secure components or loaded ammunition, Knowing full well we cant shoot without ammo is easier than just trying to BAN Gun ownership and it comes will less political damage for them !! You may think it will never happen in your state but be warned it will eventually happen everywhere. For now Id be thankful for the current Competition classes we have and enjoy as best you can because it may not be around for as long as you think!!!
The best way to stop that of course is to increase membership. But to do that you firstly have to make it attractive --like not having to pay $ 20000 ??? For a rifle.
Barry Davies wrote:The best way to stop that of course is to increase membership. But to do that you firstly have to make it attractive --like not having to pay $ 20000 ??? For a rifle.
I dont know where you get $20,000 for a Target gun???
The local class could be called either E class or F Open Aus. Limit it to 284 sized cases , (no magnum bolt face), no delays if on ETs, limit it to 10 shot strings, string fire. Start shooting each day with everyone else. Pretty much how things are going now in Australia so not much change for many new shooters.
Then F Open or F Open international. No energy limits below range template. 10 second delays if on ETs, 2 or 3 to a target Bisley style, 15 shot strings on some ranges. Skip the first short range of the day on 4 target days and make up the round count with longer shot strings at the longer ranges.
E class or F open Aus would let recreational shooters still get decent scores and not have to build barrel burning magnums.
F Open or F open international would let the more aspirational shooters get some practice at shooting more similar to how the rest of the world does F class, but they would be dropping more points and likely be more competitive if they build a magnum.
heritage5 wrote:OK why not go back to the future? We all shoot 308 with a by pod less cost easy to travel with even competition. Not a real bad idea. Count me in
Guy
Thats called F/tr. There is already a class to suit those who are more of a budget.
heritage5 wrote:OK why not go back to the future? We all shoot 308 with a by pod less cost easy to travel with even competition. Not a real bad idea. Count me in
Guy
Thats called F/tr. There is already a class to suit those who are more of a budget.
dazza284 wrote:Should you reduce energy limits it all depends on how many more people you want to Chase out of the sport before they even get started .
Yes, with F std, F/tr and sports hunter we have plenty of more economical options. F Open should remain the formular one of rifle shooting and not be watered down even more.
Hi All. We started with 303 case then TR 7.62 ( 308 ) then F Standard 308 case FTR 308 case F Open any projectile to 8mm . I say we have a straight 284 case for F Open any bigger Case or modified 284 caes to be called F Open Super X Class and that would keep F Open on even playing field.
Leave the Energy Limits as it is. Hard enough to get limits as they are now.
We need to grow the sport rather than dissect it into ever thinner classes.
We love to innovate when it comes to gear but are conservative when it comes to the organisation and administration of the sport. When I look we are running everything just like it was done 50 years ago. A trivial example, is there a Kings that provides a chairing ceremony for the winner of anything other than target rifle?
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