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Re: NSWRA 2023 King's Sporter Hunter rules

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2022 2:55 am
by Jmichos
macguru wrote:I think it just rules out action only build like stiller or Barnard, but its a grey area because Barnard also produces a tac rifle I think, they just dont want you using single shot target actions etc


That’s right. I’ve got one of them. The model 07 Barnard which I use every weekend but in F Standard anyway. It’s got a magazine . It uses their model SM action (“short magazine” I assume). That action is a Remington 700 clone. The barrel is 26 inches and in a tactical stock that looks a bit like the Tikka tac A1. The whole thing is their off the shelf rifle and comes complete.

Re: NSWRA 2023 King's Sporter Hunter rules

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2022 6:37 pm
by OuttaAmmo
For SH “sporter hunter” the rifle weight is far too heavy and scope magnification too much.

Personally, I’d drop the mag down to 25x max and the weight about 6kg at most.
Even then, that rifle wouldn’t be a “sporter hunter” rifle in anyone’s logical eyes.

When I last shot F Open, I used a Remington 700 with a varmint weight barrel, McMillan stock, S&B 5-25 and it weighed 6.5kg. Off a Harris bipod. It worked well enough.

Re: NSWRA 2023 King's Sporter Hunter rules

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2022 3:02 pm
by BATattack

Re: NSWRA 2023 King's Sporter Hunter rules

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2022 4:39 pm
by macguru
So the rules that I posted apply for the NSW King's prize, as I stated. There are no wider changes at this stage.

Re: NSWRA 2023 King's Sporter Hunter rules

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2022 5:45 pm
by AlanF
Credit to the NRAA for taking control of the situation. Hopefully now all the STAs will be willing to participate in a comprehensive rules discussion and fully accept the resulting rules when they're published in the SSRs. Uniformity of S/H rules across all Kings events can only be a good thing for the growth of the discipline, which could be spectacular.

Re: NSWRA 2023 King's Sporter Hunter rules

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2022 6:31 pm
by macguru
I have asked for clarification from the NSWRA as the memo is a little ambiguous but I take it to mean that the NSW Kings will go ahead with the same modified rules as 2022 .....

Re: NSWRA 2023 King's Sporter Hunter rules

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2022 9:24 pm
by AlanF
macguru wrote:...I take it to mean that the NSW Kings will go ahead with the same modified rules as 2022 .....

I agree. But you'd expect NSWRA to provide input to the Rules sub-committee along with other STAs, then eventually fall into line with the new rules.

Re: NSWRA 2023 King's Sporter Hunter rules

Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2022 11:26 pm
by macguru
Just confirming the NSW King's is running the modified rule set in the original post.

I have also ordered a Tikka T3X UPR that can be shot as is for future events at other venues, in the interim.

Re: NSWRA 2023 King's Sporter Hunter rules

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2022 7:21 am
by Blindbat
macguru wrote:I have also ordered a Tikka T3X UPR that can be shot as is for future events at other venues, in the interim.


Doesn't the UPR come with a set trigger? I would have to read the rules again but I seem to remember that set triggers were not allowed. Perhaps someone can save me the time and confirm.

Re: NSWRA 2023 King's Sporter Hunter rules

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2022 7:25 am
by Barry Davies
I guess I was wrong. SSR's obviously do not determine how a comp. will be conducted and should be treated as a guide only.
States can obviously modify as they see fit or depending upon who makes the loudest noise.
The modified version to suit NSW should be called F/TR/ H (H for Harris)
All heading the same way as FS

Re: NSWRA 2023 King's Sporter Hunter rules

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2022 7:29 am
by macguru
Mine has the standard trigger, not the SET trigger. As I said about the naming of these categories thats up to others .. PRC or SH open or whatever. The important thing is to offer new shooters a style of shooting they want so they will join the clubs.

Re: NSWRA 2023 King's Sporter Hunter rules

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2022 1:24 pm
by Lithgow
It amazes me that a single club and minority have such an influence when it comes to the new SSRs for SH when they don't even attend or support OPMs. (Not even their own OPM)
I've been shooting a hunting rifle since I started shooting long range 2.5 years ago and enter many/most out of area OPMs in Open or if offered SH.
Do what you like at club level but stop messing with a class that the regular supporters and participants understand as the rules, ie SSRs.

Re: NSWRA 2023 King's Sporter Hunter rules

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2022 1:31 pm
by macguru
Steve, you did well at the queens in Sydney this year, aren't you going to have another go in January ?

Re: NSWRA 2023 King's Sporter Hunter rules

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2022 1:47 pm
by Lithgow
macguru wrote:Steve, you did well at the queens in Sydney this year, aren't you going to have another go in January ?

Short on components at the moment but hoping to sort something.

Re: NSWRA 2023 King's Sporter Hunter rules

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2022 3:30 pm
by Sako85
LA105 wrote:It amazes me that a single club and minority have such an influence when it comes to the new SSRs for SH when they don't even attend or support OPMs. (Not even their own OPM)
I've been shooting a hunting rifle since I started shooting long range 2.5 years ago and enter many/most out of area OPMs in Open or if offered SH.
Do what you like at club level but stop messing with a class that the regular supporters and participants understand as the rules, ie SSRs.


Yep, I don’t usually comment on these platforms but it is bizarre isn’t it #-o - current SSR’s have increased our club membership as they are - seems certain clubs are targeting different categories for members or using that as a reason to manipulate the rules as some shoot multiple categories ie SH,PRS,PSR therefore think it’s fair to make change so they can use the one rifle across the board or gain an advantage in SH as F open would be too competitive.

The sport is meant to be focused on involvement, and it does however there seems to be a select few that wish to push boundaries for their own personal advantage and agenda, one wanting the weight lifted to 8kg :shock: -SH is there so standard factory rifle owners like recreational hunters that make up a considerable % of gun ownership I assume can come and try long range shooting with their basic factory off the shelf HUNTING set up and be on a level playing field with similar rigs- hence the rules (SSRS) without rules we live with the animals (quote from a great movie) this is what attracted me and now I shoot SH more than I hunt.

Rules change I get it, but one category shouldn’t be allowed to manipulate another and SSR’s should be what’s adhered too not individual state rules otherwise those that wish to travel or able to travel to compete interstate have spent money following one set of rules to find out they don’t comply to another state.

Hopefully the new and I do mean new sub committee can come up with an agreement going forward that lifts the sport and possibly listen to a few that have invested into the division and support the Association (Just my opinion and 5c)