OzFclass

No point in starting another thread on ET's whilst I think they will become the norm in the future, they are not up to it yet. Slip over tk ET's and have a read if you have not already.

As for badge numbers/prizes/attendance, spending a couple of grand attend an event where the discipline is barely supported is just not in me. Especially when FS has 6 badges in B grade, I am sorry, but FS is a nothing category in the grand scheme of Fclass. I don't see why so many people are against it. Most are even reluctant to give it a crack.

Each to their own I guess, I will be competing mostly in FTR moving forward, meaning I won't be attending shoots that don't support it...

I will be shooting in the QRA queens, the badges and support is bleak there too. The NRAA queens was great, and they are extremely proactive. It's great that they can see the value of supporting us, and competing OS.

Matt, others were told at least twice on two separate occasions that the Nsw Queen's would not be using Et's, this was as a result of the Draft weekend issues.

Phill

mike H wrote:

jasmay wrote:$285 to shoot on electronics for one badge in FTR, yep, I won't be there either..

I would rather save all my queens costs up and shoot overseas.

Really, I hate saying it, but when will people just get on with it.

6 bloody badges for Fclass B grade... Even 3 junior but only 1 for the internationally recognized ICFRA discipline FTR.

Jason,
FTR may be an international discipline but it is not well supported in Australia at present,if it is to grow,it needs people like yourself to attend as many events as possible.
How do you think F/standard is where it is today ?



Boycotting Australian competitions for overseas events may help your ambitions,but it won't further the cause of FTR in Australia.
Mike.

Mike, I m not boycotting it, this will be my 3rd queens this year, and I was also present at Tassie.

It's just hard to warrant the huge expense when the support is not there.

I am done with shooting FTR in Fopen when it is not supported, it's demoralizing and demotivating shooting against superior gear, very hard to gauge your skill level.

This along with ET's has turned me off this.

Alan has said exactly what I feel.

Matt P wrote:Hi All
TR will be shooting on ET's and all the F Class's will be on paper, with regards to Badges I'm sure if numbers warranted it the badge list would be increased.
On a side note NSWRA are looking for sponsors, especially for the F Class's. TR has long term sponsors and the trophy's have been around for many years, if F Class wants the same (which I'm sure we all do) we need to help start make it happen, if anyone is interested please contact myself or the office.
Regards
Mat Paroz

PM sent Matt

Most S&T's will or should increase the badges awarded if numbers dictate
This should be adopted nationally then we all know where we stand
The badge percentage should be around 20-25% this also should be a national standard.
I also agree with some of the previous posters only attendance to these event will drive the organisation to cater for them and also assist in recruiting new people to the F/TR discipline.

My personal view is the B Grade should be dropped then F-Class has 3 division like our TR comrades.
As I know this is a bone of contention with some

RB

RAVEN wrote:My personal view is the B Grade should be dropped then F-Class has 3 division like our TR comrades.
As I know this is a bone of contention with some

RB

It's the numbers that dictate how many grades and ATM there are more FS shooters than there are FO and FTR.

These are 3 different disciplines, that would be like dropping TR C grade to add B grade to FO.

8-)

GreyGhost

My comment is from what I have been told by the TR crew
I come from a place and time where there was only one disciplines and that was F-Class.
the intention of my comment is to grow all the classes and have an open competition.
The grading is designed for pot hunters

RB

RAVEN wrote:the intention of my comment is to grow all the classes and have an open competition.
The grading is designed for pot hunters

RB

RAVEN

Yes, there are those that view grading in that light, but honestly... are the pots really worth hunting?

I look at grading as a way to encourage the new shooters to keep coming to OPMs and Queens with at least some chance of picking up a gong.

Removing B grade from FS isn't going to create more FO or FTR shooters, it'll simply create a bigger FS (A) field where the learners/new shooters won't stand a chance and will eventually stop attending.

IMO the best way for growth in FO/FTR is attending the OPMs and Queens and in time the numbers will increase and so will the badges/placings.

8-)

Yes I do agree with the regard to B grade being the introduction to F-Class
but this also has to fit in with the biggest game in town.

RAVEN wrote:Most S&T's will or should increase the badges awarded if numbers dictate
This should be adopted nationally then we all know where we stand
The badge percentage should be around 20-25% this also should be a national standard.

RB

This is one of the only sports I know where gold silver and bronze is not awarded, it just beggars belief to me...

Let's face it, it's not like the badges are worth $100's each.

A club recently used the same place the QRA gets badges made, they were under $10 a piece, I think 1st 2nd & 3rd at least should be awarded.

Jason,
To be honest I feel just as exasperated as you seem to be,keep trying.
Mike.

jasmay wrote:

RAVEN wrote:Most S&T's will or should increase the badges awarded if numbers dictate
This should be adopted nationally then we all know where we stand
The badge percentage should be around 20-25% this also should be a national standard.

RB

This is one of the only sports I know where gold silver and bronze is not awarded, it just beggars belief to me...

Let's face it, it's not like the badges are worth $100's each.

A club recently used the same place the QRA gets badges made, they were under $10 a piece, I think 1st 2nd & 3rd at least should be awarded.

Jason, while not disagreeing with you regarding lack of 'final badge count', we do get the chance of winning Gold, Silver and Bronze, and, at 'each and every range' that we shoot. They are awarded, and, to the best shooters at that particular range.
If you compare this with athletics for example, they compete in heats in which only the best competitors in that heat go forward and the rest drop out (and we, as shooters still get to continue at the next range, irrespective of position/score, to compete for the following ranges, and, for more medals, and, ultimately, the cloth badges)
Other sports, whether running, jumping, lifting, etc. have only one set of medals, we get to compete for anything up to twelve sets, depending on the Lead-up/Queens format.
Would you rather complete a Queens, OPM, etc. to be awarded a cloth badge, but having never won a range? It does happen.
Time and $'s do not give me the chance to compete at OPM's or Queens events much, but I still value my individual range medals far more than the piece of cloth with a number on it.

Razer wrote:...I still value my individual range medals far more than the piece of cloth with a number on it.

Razer,

We all seem to have our own preferences with these things. I'm a cloth badge man myself. Trophies, range medals, ho hum. But a cloth badge says you performed consistently well, and besides, they're a very good man cave adornment. The multi-colours clash well with all the other clashing colours.

Alan

I think the relationship has to work both ways, the majority of what I hear is shooters need to turn up and shoot to show there is a need for the grade.

This is true, but I think it is also true to increase numbers we need club support for the grade.

One of the Major arguments I hear for not abolishing FSB is it would mean less people would attend prize meets, apply that to FTR where sometime it's not supported at all, well, why would you shoot. FS gets 3 and sometime up to 8 badges for both grades, yet only 1 for FTR.

I have shot my share of comps in Fopen just to get the competition experience, as have others, I have just had enough of doing that now.

Again, if we want the sport to grow mutual support is needed.

And then there is always the internationally recognized chestnut, but I am not going there again.

Anyway, I think I have banged on enough signing off....

jasmay wrote:I think the relationship has to work both ways, the majority of what I hear is shooters need to turn up and shoot to show there is a need for the grade.

This is true, but I think it is also true to increase numbers we need club support for the grade.

One of the Major arguments I hear for not abolishing FSB is it would mean less people would attend prize meets, apply that to FTR where sometime it's not supported at all, well, why would you shoot. FS gets 3 and sometime up to 8 badges for both grades, yet only 1 for FTR.

I have shot my share of comps in Fopen just to get the competition experience, as have others, I have just had enough of doing that now.
Again, if we want the sport to grow mutual support is needed.

And then there is always the internationally recognized chestnut, but I am not going there again.

Anyway, I think I have banged on enough signing off....

I can remember when the same issues existed for F Std & F Open, through perseverance this has started to turn around.
Keith H.