sara queens

bsouthernau · Post by **bsouthernau** » Wed Sep 25, 2013 8:31 am

What's the state of the range at present? I've just had another competition down the road a little at Virginia postponed because the range is under water. I recall some pics posted on this forum earlier in the year with boats floating around Lower Light - do I need to bring my tinny after all?

Barry

bruce moulds · Post by **bruce moulds** » Wed Sep 25, 2013 6:59 pm

barry,
the range is looking the best it ever has.
we can't do anything about the horrendous conditions you have to shoot in weatherwise.
the range is dry as we speak.
see ya when we're lookin atcha.
bruce.

Southcape · Post by **Southcape** » Wed Sep 25, 2013 8:31 pm

Well after the week of weather we have just been through...this range will certainly be living up to it's name!

I won't be there this year, as I have promised my kids I am theirs until the end of the year.

Good luck to all competing!

bsouthernau · Post by **bsouthernau** » Thu Sep 26, 2013 8:59 pm

bruce moulds wrote:we can't do anything about the horrendous conditions you have to shoot in weatherwise.

I don't care what I shoot in Bruce - I'm quite resigned to getting down and taking my hiding from the elements along with everyone else.

What I DO tire of is having to pull my caravan annexe down to prevent it getting blown to shreds!! :cry:

Glad to hear it's dry under foot at present.

Barry

IanP · Post by **IanP** » Fri Sep 27, 2013 2:40 pm

Hello Bruce,

Can you please confirm what you stated below, (copy and paste from Sept 15 NSW Queens thread) about blow-offs for the SARA Queens. Sounds good to me but from memory I thought it was until 7.30am.

Anyway I phoned Paul Gale today to check on this and he did not know of any such agreement and stated the Range Officer, (Jim Bowles) would need to be contacted to arrange this. Have you got this info from Jim or can you please let us know what the arrangement is for blow-offs prior to the days shooting.

Ian

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2013 12:52 pm Post subject: Reply with quote
alan,
returning to blowoffs.
if fclass is allowed blowoffs on the mound prior to or during strings,
I am concerned that unless tr embraced this as well, we might return to the old days of tr/fclass range wars, from club level to the top.
also, the rules went from 3 to 2 sighters, and this seems to have stood the sport in a good position.
it just comes down to barrel management, a challenge, but a thing that can be done.
ultimately, if we need blowoffs, I feel that the range should be made available prior to the day's shooting for blowoffs into the mound with no targets, in order that no shooter has an advantage with understanding the weather.
obviously if you don't need to blowoff, then you should not be forced to do so to have an equal chance.
the policy at sara queens now is that the range is available until 7.00 am for this purpose, and this should suffice for fouling a barrel, if that is your only motive.
keep safe,
bruce.

bruce moulds · Post by **bruce moulds** » Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:44 pm

sounds like we will have to wait to see what jim says.
I know he does not want people blasting shots into the side of the road off range.
keep safe,
bruce.

Hangfire · Post by **Hangfire** » Sat Sep 28, 2013 4:59 am

IanP wrote:Hello Bruce,

Can you please confirm what you stated below, (copy and paste from Sept 15 NSW Queens thread) about blow-offs for the SARA Queens. Sounds good to me but from memory I thought it was until 7.30am.

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Wouldn't this put those who stay or live close to the range at an advantage?

I know a few who will be competing who will drive out each day and who's travel time is over 1 hour.

Unless they have a designated "blow off" prior to the shoot at a time where it is fair and reasonable to all competitors then it should not be allowed.

I am in favor of a "blow off" period but a more realistic time frame of between 8am -8-30am would seem a fair option.

Post by **AlanF** » Sat Sep 28, 2013 7:38 am

Until blow-off shots are actually incorporated into the first range of the day, then there will always be potential for unfairness. Some can do blow-offs before leaving home, or en route to the range (a hazardous practice). Better to make it available to all as it was at the FCWC, where it worked well. I would like to see the SSRs amended to allow this.

Alan

Barry Davies · Post by **Barry Davies** » Sat Sep 28, 2013 7:50 am

The first range of the Day??
What about those who clean after every range or every second range?
It would tend to become ridiculous.

Barry Davies · Post by **Barry Davies** » Sat Sep 28, 2013 8:48 am

I am not against Blow off shots in principle as I am fully aware of the problems associated with clean barrels, particularly at long ranges.

Blow off shots are solely to foul the clean barrel to make those sighters meaningful-- correct?

As per last post - what about those who clean between ranges?

What about those using molly who claim true first shots --do they NEED blow off shots?
If they do not then maybe that's unfair.

Why is doing blow off shots on the way to the range considered unfair?
Not condoning it --just asking.
Some rifles go straight in when clean and stay there -- is that unfair?

I rather think that the pursuit of an extra sighter would be a better way to go.
The argument for an extra sighter is valid when one considers FC shoot at a "bull " half the size of that for TR.
Food for thought.

Barry Davies · Post by **Barry Davies** » Sat Sep 28, 2013 9:04 am

Alan,
Why is post being duplicated?

Post by **AlanF** » Sat Sep 28, 2013 9:40 am

Barry Davies wrote:Alan,
Why is post being duplicated?

Not sure, but could be because the website is slow at present, and some might be clicking the Submit button twice?

Post by **AlanF** » Sat Sep 28, 2013 9:47 am

Barry,

Re: blow-off shots, in my experience the vast majority don't clean between ranges. If they do, its because the barrel is either too new, too old, or too bad!

Alan

Barry Davies · Post by **Barry Davies** » Sat Sep 28, 2013 10:18 am

Maybe so. Point is, if they clean ( for whatever reason ) are they going to expect blow off shots?

RAVEN · Post by **RAVEN** » Sat Sep 28, 2013 11:40 am

I train to deal with clean bore shots
IMO those that don't put then selve at a disadvantage when they go to a range or OPM where blow off shots prior to the event is disallowed or facilities not available.
PPP = PPP
Team Shooting is a different matter