New Targets In 2010

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Post by AlanF »

John E wrote:Alan, how many Rosedale people are coming to shoot on the electronic target tomorrow?

John,

On the targets issue, have you ever thought about going into politics? I reckon you'd fool most of the people most of the time. :D

As far as I know just 3 shooters - I wouldn't be too worried about catering - this is just "technical inspection".

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M12LRPV wrote:....What's most important (and people will not like this but it's the hard truth) is that we need shooters more than we need members. And we need new shooters more than anything.
A lost member is not as bad as a lost shooter. Try and find them another club. If they decide to give up shooting entirely then they were ready to do it anyway. They were just looking for an excuse.

Most importantly... manage change, don't resist it.

Clubs that don't manage change and allow the resistance to build up are on the path to destruction anyway because the greatest source of change is not the rules or targets or ammunition or the equipment. It's new members. And if you resist the change that comes with new members then you can kiss your club goodbye...

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Look forward to seeing you tomorrow, and you can please yourself whether you shoot on the superV, as it appears on the electronic target with the touch of a computer key.

NEWS FLASH-- NEWS FLASH
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ICFRA TARGET DIMENSIONS ARE NOW PROGRAMMED INTO THE SYSTEM.
Tomorrow you will be able to do a direct comparison between ICFRA and Super V.

John
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Post by Lynn Otto »

IanP wrote:My club to the best of my knowledge (I'm a committee member) knew nothing about the "SARA decision" until we were informed on the weekend.
Ian

For what it's worth Ian, our club also knew nothing of this decision. I also am on the committee and nothing by way of correspondence came to our club. It would seem that once again the opinion of the people affected by these decisions is not important enough to be considered.
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I must admit that my major disappointment with the new target (& ICFRA's decision before that) was to opt for 5 down marking, not 10 down as was the prototype target (the US Highpower/Palma target).

When you operate in a 10 down mode, most lower skilled shooters actually achieve higher scores as a percentage of a possible than they do when shooting with 5 as the highest value. It's rocket science - you drop 10% a ring with ten down scoring & 20% scoring 5 down & your lowest value is 50% not 40% of perfect. Bert Bowden highlighted that back in the nineties when he was promoting tighter targets. He set up targets for Natives club with enough rings on them to be able to score a shoot as a TR shoot, as a British TR shoot, or as a US highpower shoot. The issue that became obvious was that the almost skilled shooters - those just off the pace as they progressed up the skill ladder or those getting towards the end of their reign - suffered obviously compared with the hotshots.

Of course, you lose twice as many points when you drop one on the wrong plate, but what silly bugger would do that in a Queens?

Now, I could just be a cynical old fart, but it seems to me that a lot of our management at every level comes from that latter category, you know, the ones who get a possible still but bugger all V bulls (talking TR here). Perhaps one or two here & there are just protecting their cred to the detriment of the general good - here & overseas.
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Post by Peter Hulett »

Johnk wrote:
[ it seems to me that a lot of our management at every level comes from that latter category, you know, the ones who get a possible still but bugger all V bulls (talking TR here). Perhaps one or two here & there are just protecting their cred to the detriment of the general good - here & overseas.[/quote]

Well said John. Another whole section of our management comes from people who no longer shoot and rely on their memory to decide what is best.
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Post by RMc »

Rod check your PM about new interface we were disgussing on Saturday

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Post by littlebang556 »

From a TR point of view I would have much prefered at this current time where most clubs are getting new members/shooter to have seen the adoption of the ICFRA aiming mark with the only other change to be a reduction in the V-Bull.
I believe that this may have suited the elite MINORITY of our sport in their efforts to train for international events whilst leaving the rest of the sport relatively untouched.
This could have been adopted without any of the hype experienced thus far. One punch at a time is better than a kick in the proverbial.

With the introduction of electronic targets happening all round the country, implimentation of such extreme changes as to adopt the full ICFRA could/would be as easy as a click on a monitor screen. Electronics will not happen overnight but it does appear to be the way forward and has much potential to resurect our member base if we keep calm heads.

Modern day rifles is another reason I hear for changes yet I go to any range and still find a multitude of equipment one would say looked as if it were strapped to one of the animals on the Ark. Some people in this sport just dont have the $$$capital$$$ for that DREAM rifle whilst others are happy with scores NEAR the pointy end whilst aspiring to maintain friendships...even those about to retire from the sport crave the conversation they have experienced most of their lives...these people are important.

The other important point to mention is also the fact that there is much difference between TR & F Class (some believe) and trying to find a singular target (although a great concept) that needs no adaption for BOTH disaplines is only going to present as another barrier between the two where we need none.

My biggest gripe with the whole situation is that we have a CONTROLING body that see's fit to enforce rule changes for the betterment of the sport without ephasis on our countries democratic system.

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Post by IanP »

Looks like the VRA are going with ICFRA next year, lets hope SARA do the same!

Ian
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