Many SH Class Questions

[PeteFox]

This bot will ask questions forever, but I guess it's polite
A 24hrs a day enthusiastic newbie and ego massager
Who's going to be first to give over their bank details when it wants to buy something?

[Tsv900]

This bot will ask questions forever, but I guess it's polite
A 24hrs a day enthusiastic newbie and ego massager
Who's going to be first to give over their bank details when it wants to buy something?

What are you talking about? Why do you think I'm a bot and what would I possibly be trying to sell you?

I am very excited for the upcoming shoot and this thread has given me tons of information that I'm very thankful for.

Or are you just trolling?

[Mick S]

Hey all!

I made a post asking about F Class yesterday and I got pointed in the direction of the Sporter/Hunter Class, which I hasn't heard of until then, which sounds much better suited to what I'm wanting to do. I have some questions that I'm hoping you guys can help me with.

I have a Tikka T3X Super Varmint in stock form in 6.5CM. All I have done is adjust the trigger pull weight to be lighter. My scope is an Athlon Argos BTR Gen 2 6-24x50. This scope has enough internal elevation for 1000m with high BC Roinds such as the 136g Sako TRG Precision. However, with lower BC rounds I don't have enough internal adjustment. With that, I'm assuming people tend to stick with higher BC rounds in this sport anyway? Or should I invest in a 20MOA rail to gain roughly 5 MRAD of internal adjustment?
For context, I have 11.4 MRAD of internal elevation. The Sako Ammo needs 10.6 for 1000m without holding over and the lower BC stuff I have, which is much cheaper and still accurate out to 500m (the furthest I've currently shot) needs 17.

Will my scope being in MRAD be an issue? Do most people use MOA or MRAD in this sport?

What distances so you shoot at in this sport? What is the structure of a competition and how long so they run? Are comps set at a certain distance or do they run over multiple days?

How many shots are to be put on target per round?

Are there sub classes in SH and if so, which sub class would I fall under?

I understand that this class exists mainly to encourage people such as me, who want to compete without breaking the bank. With that, are modifications allowed? If so, I have some questions to go with that.
I've been wanting to upgrade my stock to something MDT such as the XRS and I've been wanting to equip a muzzle brake and was looking into the 4AW one. Swapping to an MDT XRS would also mean swapping to a 10 round magazine. My standard magazine capacity is 5 however there are other Tikkas that come standard with 10 round capacity anyway.
Next up is my current bipod, it's a Harris and it's very rigid. I find it very difficult to preload this bipod whatsoever unless I put a heavy sandbag in front of it. I'm assuming I can't do this on competition, so with that, am I allowed to use a more preloadable bipod such as an Atlas?

Is the 6.5 Creedmoor a competitive calibre for this class? I like the idea of steadily improving my own skills anyway, but I'm wondering if I'm going to be up for a calibre swap when I eventually want to push the envelope.

Thanks,

Where are you located, it is much easier to give specific answers if we know
If your club uses Shotmarker you can select the option to use a Miliradian grid on your device which makes sight corrections simple

[Blindbat]

This bot will ask questions forever, but I guess it's polite
A 24hrs a day enthusiastic newbie and ego massager
Who's going to be first to give over their bank details when it wants to buy something?

What are you talking about? Why do you think I'm a bot and what would I possibly be trying to sell you?

I am very excited for the upcoming shoot and this thread has given me tons of information that I'm very thankful for.

Or are you just trolling?

Time to stop asking questions and go to a range to get some practical experience. You have more than enough answers to get started and any more detail will only confuse at this stage.

[Tim L]

I'm not sure why there is the continual discussion of MOA / mil conversion.
By all means check the maths, but 1 click on a milrad scope = 1/3 moa

1 click = 10mm @ 100m
Which is 9.144 mm @ 100 yards
Which is 0.36 inches.

Obviously for those shooting sub 0.03moa groups this isn't going to work for you but for everyone else, if your moving from 300 to 1000 yards and someone tells you it's 26 minutes, crank on 78 clicks and you'll be close enough.

[Tsv900]

I'm not sure why there is the continual discussion of MOA / mil conversion.
By all means check the maths, but 1 click on a milrad scope = 1/3 moa

1 click = 10mm @ 100m
Which is 9.144 mm @ 100 yards
Which is 0.36 inches.

Obviously for those shooting sub 0.03moa groups this isn't going to work for you but for everyone else, if your moving from 300 to 1000 yards and someone tells you it's 26 minutes, crank on 78 clicks and you'll be close enough.

Oh wow, this is incredibly useful to know thanks!

I just did some conversions on the google calculator and between 300 and 1000m tripling the moa and subtracting 2 clicks up to 500m and 3 clicks up to 1000m is generally going to get me in almost the exact same spot with high BC ammo.

Easy enough to remember and apply, thanks for the tip.

[lking21]

Yeah, looking at the way the questions are typed Im starting to agree with Pete on the AI ruling

[Tsv900]

Yeah, looking at the way the questions are typed Im starting to agree with Pete on the AI ruling

Why do people think I'm AI? I've never even heard of AI posting in forums ans what possible purpose would there be in doing so?

This thread is finished, I've had some very useful answers and I have the shoot coming up on Saturday.

But now I'm genuinely curious on why people think I'm AI? It makes zero sense.

Duz it halp if I typ lyke n uneducated bogan or do ya still fink imma AI?

[Tsv900]

Distance - Most club matches are shot at whatever distance is scheduled for that day. Lets say today is 300m, next weeks schedule is most likely to be 400m. (or 500m if you're unlucky enough to shoot at a range that doesn't have a 400m mound like Malabar aka Anzac)
Targets - All disciplines use the same targets. If your club has enough targets they may dedicate one to each discipline but most likely everyone will be shooting on the same target/s.
Stages - Each match will consist of 2 stages with a break between. Each consisting of 2 sighters and 10 scoring shots. If you are lucky enough to convert all your sighters you will need only 20 rounds for the day and if you don't convert any you will need 24 rounds. Most days you will convert some of your sighters especially in your 2nd stage as you will be dialed in by then.
Converting sighters - You have the option to convert sighters into scoring shots. If both sighters are 5s you may convert both and your next shot will be your 3rd scoring shot meaning you will only use 10 rounds for the stage. If the 1st sighter is a 2 and 2nd is a 5 you may wish to convert the 2nd shot as your 1st scoring and continue (11 rounds). If uou don't convert either the stage will be 12 rounds. You can convert either both or just the 2nd however you cannot convert the 1st without also converting the 2nd.

Thank you very, very much for explaining this. I was actually at the public range yesterday using higher valocity but lower BC bullets than the roinds that I zero'd the rifle with and they were hitting slightly high at 100m. With that the accuracy is there as it still hit t shots sub MOA here. However, the group was almost a straight line upwards with each round virtually stacked onto the previous. Maybe I was a little too firm on the buttstock and the muzzle was lifting slightly.
I then went to 200m hit high and left. I held point of aim and dialed to point of impact and did a follow up 5 shot group that hit right and slightly low, but still stayed right on 2 MOA. Until now I haven't been too fussed when point of impact isn't right on as it's going to vary a little depending on the ammo I'm using.

Anyway my point is, while I'm fairly sure it'll still be just about dead on with the ammo I zero'd with, which is also the same ammo I'll use for SH Class shooting virn that is has a much higher BC, my adjustment method didn't work properly at 200m by dialing to the impact point. I then dialed point of aim to the middle of that 5 shot group and took a 6th shot that hit about 1 inch low and left of the point of aim then proceeded to take some shots at the 500m gong with my remaining rounds. So what's a better method to utilise the 2 sighting shots in a comp environment?

When shooting around the 400-500m mark where MOA is in that 4-5 inch range, I assume one would consider 4's and 5's an acceptable score to count in as scoring shots?

The accuracy is there, the point of impact is a little off. Even at only 200m, I shot a 5 shot group and dialed into the middle of it to still be one inch low and right. I'm hoping it'll be fine with the higher BC rounds but we'll see how it goes.

Thanks

For those who think I'm AI, for good measure, here's photos of my rifle and the 2 groups I mentioned above, exactly as described.

https://imgur.com/a/dBPlJaZ

The first photo is my T3X Super Varmint.

The second photo is the strange vertical 100m group I shot.

The third photo is the 200m group. The first 5 shots are closest to the right. I then attempted to redial my point of aim to middle if the first 5 shots and took a 6th shot which you can see is a little closer to the point of aim, being the red diamond, but is still a little off.

As you can see and as described, the rifle is grouping fairly well and within MOA at these distances, but the impact point is a little off. With that, as mentioned, this is different ammo the the higher BC ammo that I zero'd the rifle with, which is the 136g Sako TRG Precision ammo, which I'll be using at this weekends shoot.

These aren't further questions, I'm just trying to point out that I'm not a bot.

[PeteFox]

Normal people would post so that the metadata wasn't hidden

[Tsv900]

Normal people would post so that the metadata wasn't hidden

Wtf is metadata?

I made this account 4 or 5 days ago and posted in the F Class section first and then this section when I got pointed in the direction of SH Class.

I haven't hidden anything and I've asked specific questions and got some answers that brought other questions to mind. What exactly am I hiding?

I literally posted photos above. If you want I can post another photo of me holding the target alongside a screenshot of the photo on my gallery time stamped with today's date?

I don't understand why you think I'm a bot. I've got all the answered I wanted, I'm very thankful for them and have a lot of information to go forward with. I'm only continuing to reply because three of you think I'm AI and I'm very curious as to why.

From this post, I think it's fairly obvious that I'm a relatively new shooter. Why would AI post in asking noob questions?

[macguru]

What is your location and home range ?
And real name ??
The SH comments only really apply to Australia ...

cheers Andrew Beavis
North Sydney Rifle club
Sydney Australia

[Tsv900]

What is your location and home range ?
And real name ??
The SH comments only really apply to Australia ...

cheers Andrew Beavis
North Sydney Rifle club
Sydney Australia

My name is Steve. So far I've only shot at Eagle Park which goes to 500m. It's a good range with good structure and a very good amount of benches. However, I purchased a 6.5CM with the desire to eventually get into longer range stuff. I recently came across the Geelong Rifle Club which goes to 900m which I was very excited to discover.
They do practice shoots open to visitors 1-2x a month and hold competitions. Since making this post I have spoken to the range manager and he said they hold around 5 SH comps per year so I'm very interested in getting into that.

Thanks to this thread, I'm going to my first come and try day with a lot of useful information on hand and a much better understanding of how this sport works, which I only heard about for the first time in the first thread I made.

I haven't posted in a forum for quite a long time, this was the only one I could find for Australian F Class/SH Class. I quickly made an account and posted. I didn't realise it had become the norm to use your actual name etc. in a forum.

Aside from the strange botcusations, I'm grateful for the information a lot of people have given me on this post. I'm feeling very enthusiastic and perhaps a little over excited to get into this sport. After years of thinking I was limited to 500m, it's been extremely pleasant to discover that there's a 900m range that's even closer to me than Eagle Park.

It's also been very nice to discover that there's a competitive but also seemingly supportive and friendly sport around target shooting. I'd only ever heard of PRS, which doesn't really appeal to me. I enjoy shooting targets and trying to improve each time.
I'm also very much looking forward to being able to shoot prone instead of from a bench, as it seems much more stable to be directly in line behind the rifle rather than curled over on a bench over the rifle. Eagle Park has Benches with a flat back and half circles on each side, these benches make it quite difficult to square up behind the rifle whilst still having enough room for the rear bag to have full contact with the bench.

So, I'm going to go to this come and try shoot, probably join the club and get into the SH competitions.

I'm still very curious on the botchsations though. As I said, I've never heard of a bot posting in a forum and with that, why would a bot post in a very specific forum asking questions from a relatively new shooter?

I have put 260 rounds through my 6.5CM and 300 rounds through my .22 at the time of this post since mid 2021. I got the creedmoor first and the .22 in late 2022. People say to start with a .22 however I had done lots of supervised shoots under licensed friends over the years before getting my own license and had shot lots of rounds through .22, 22-250 (very nice calibre to shoot) and .308.

I keep my ammo boxes so that I can keep track of my round count and I've also kept all my brass for the 6.5CM incase I ever get into reloading, which I likely will one day.

My 6.5CM likes the Sako TRG Precision ammo the most, however it's also been performing well with the Norma Whitetail and surprisingly performed well with the Sellior & Bellot ammo which was very cheap. With that, I won't be able to use the Norma Whitetail for longer ranges as my scope does not have enough internal adjustment unless I use holdover, until I get a 20 MOA mount. However, the Sako TRG Precision only need 8.7mils for 900m and I have 11.4, so it seems I'll be fine with any ammo that has a ballistic coefficient greater than 500 abouts. The Norma whitetail is somewhere around 350. If I'm ever shooting to 1000m at another range, the Sako TRG will need 10.6MRAD which puts me within 8 clicks of my scopes limit, which I hear isn't great for the scope.

When I got my license it took me a long time of debating between the Howa 1500 and Tikka T3X for the 6.5CM. However I settled on the Tikka for the more refined finish, cerekoted barrelled action, heavy barrel as standard, threaded muzzle (though I probably won't use a brake if it's going to annoy people) and the fluted bolt/oversized bolt knob. I also liked the standard features on the stock with the adjustable cheek riser but always intended on upgrading it eventually. As stated earlier I don't really like the ergonomics and I think I'd be much more comfortable with an MDT Field or XRS.

My .22 is a Howa M1100 and it shoots very nicely for the price. My only issue with it is that it will not feed the last round in the magazine (which points straight up) and I counteract this by reloading the magazine every 9 shots and leaving a round at the bottom. The magazine also doesn't have a very audible click when it's inserted which is a little annoying. Other than that it's nicely accurate relatively smooth to operate and I really like the ergonomics. It's a very comfortable rifle to shoot. I enjoy 50mm group shooting as well as rotating target shooting with the .22.

That's a bit about me and my shooting background thus far. Entering into the new realm of joining a club and shooting at longer ranges I feel like I haven't even scratched the surface yet.

Thanks,

[Benji]

The .22lr is great for practice for a few reasons
You can shoot decent 22 ammo and it’s still very cheap
22 subsonic at 200m is ballistically close to a .308 at 800m
It’s like dry fire practice because of low sound and recoil but more fun
You have to get all your fundamental's right to get good just like LR (except recoil management)
If you happen to find a range that will let you do string fire from a magazine you can practice shooting fast in the same wind

Anyway while waiting for these Fclass range days highly recommend some .22 time

[Tsv900]

The .22lr is great for practice for a few reasons
You can shoot decent 22 ammo and it’s still very cheap
22 subsonic at 200m is ballistically close to a .308 at 800m
It’s like dry fire practice because of low sound and recoil but more fun
You have to get all your fundamental's right to get good just like LR (except recoil management)
If you happen to find a range that will let you do string fire from a magazine you can practice shooting fast in the same wind

Anyway while waiting for these Fclass range days highly recommend some .22 time

Yes I have been to the public range the last 2 weekends and put 150 rounds through it in that time.