OzFclass

Excellent reply "Drop shot".

We need more can do and we will make it work attitude than " I don't like this".

Having been involved in earlier discussions on this, I like these rules and think they'll be very good. Now that they're out there, we can adapt to them, and fine tune as necessary. The PC Open class will succeed for sure, and become the standard at local up to Kings prize meeting level. But keeping the basic PC class will allow new shooters to come to the range for a try out, and if they like it, come back next week with a low cost off-the-shelf rifle which will give them a decent chance of becoming competitive with others in the class. And even if prize meetings don't initially offer the basic class, there'll be plenty of "unofficial" competition at club shoots, and hopefully club championships will make room for them as well. So congratulations to the authors of these rules.

So my reading of the rules, especially rule:
23.4 Production Class Open (PCO)
Any rifle that does not fit the rules outlined in 23.2 including any rifle that would
be deemed Production Class in 23.2 with the following modifications
Allows a completely custom rifle (including action) to be used ???
Thoughts ??
Matt P

Matt P wrote:So my reading of the rules, especially rule:
23.4 Production Class Open (PCO)
Any rifle that does not fit the rules outlined in 23.2 including any rifle that would
be deemed Production Class in 23.2 with the following modifications
Allows a completely custom rifle (including action) to be used ???
Thoughts ??
Matt P

That’d be the intention. Maximum inclusion.

#19 Thu Jul 06, 2023 6:07 pm
Matt P wrote:
So my reading of the rules, especially rule:
23.4 Production Class Open (PCO)
Any rifle that does not fit the rules outlined in 23.2 including any rifle that would
be deemed Production Class in 23.2 with the following modifications
Allows a completely custom rifle (including action) to be used ???
Thoughts ??
Matt P


That’d be the intention. Maximum inclusion

Well that intension is ludicrously wrong IMO! You may as well call it F-Open B grade- why should it allow “custom actions” to be used when SH was designed for Factory produced everyday rifles and shooters to step into Long range target shooting ??

I see no sense in that - if you have a rifle (Sako85 and rebarrel it ) it moves you to PCO- fine - but that shouldn’t mean automatic disadvantage against custom rigs - I smell a few strong minded individuals got together to create this loophole - but that’s just cynical me and maybe being privileged to seeing/hearing a few individuals personal views on that exact matter

If PC is so worried about a replacement barrel then shoot PCO on the F-Open target would make more sense -
Happy with all other changes

I had wondered if the open class should be bumped up to use the 6 ring and x ring target. With full custom action, trigger, chamber and barrels they could keep up with f open at times. It may get to this point with alot of events being decided by center count. Maybe even bump up the limits on magnification so people can use their rifles to full potential.

Sako85 wrote:#
Well that intension is ludicrously wrong IMO! You may as well call it F-Open B grade- why should it allow “custom actions” to be used when SH was designed for Factory produced everyday rifles and shooters to step into Long range target shooting ??

I see no sense in that - if you have a rifle (Sako85 and rebarrel it ) it moves you to PCO- fine - but that shouldn’t mean automatic disadvantage against custom rigs - I smell a few strong minded individuals got together to create this loophole - but that’s just cynical me and maybe being privileged to seeing/hearing a few individuals personal views on that exact matter

If PC is so worried about a replacement barrel then shoot PCO on the F-Open target would make more sense -
Happy with all other changes

After you change a barrel, stock, trigger, add a decent scope and an Atlas bipod, is there any real difference in the action?

I agree, I’d like to see it be commercial quantity actions only (Rem, Tikka, Howa etc), but I’d also like to see some cross-pollination of PRS shooters too.

Doesn’t bother me too much, I’ll keep shooting my two (soon to be three) Rem700 shitters.

AlanF wrote:Having been involved in earlier discussions on this, I like these rules and think they'll be very good. Now that they're out there, we can adapt to them, and fine tune as necessary. The PC Open class will succeed for sure, and become the standard at local up to Kings prize meeting level. But keeping the basic PC class will allow new shooters to come to the range for a try out, and if they like it, come back next week with a low cost off-the-shelf rifle which will give them a decent chance of becoming competitive with others in the class. And even if prize meetings don't initially offer the basic class, there'll be plenty of "unofficial" competition at club shoots, and hopefully club championships will make room for them as well. So congratulations to the authors of these rules.

Alan I do agree with you I just can’t get over the limits on barrel profiles and diameters. Putting a maximum weight limit is plenty transparent. There are issues with the new limits on barrel taper and muzzle diameter in my opinion. However the key issue of custom builds outscoring factory rifles and being in the same class has been rectified. Now I just have to be able to decide on a new barrel profile and if I join the local production open crew or have to be considered ftr.

Brad Y wrote:

AlanF wrote:Having been involved in earlier discussions on this, I like these rules and think they'll be very good. Now that they're out there, we can adapt to them, and fine tune as necessary. The PC Open class will succeed for sure, and become the standard at local up to Kings prize meeting level. But keeping the basic PC class will allow new shooters to come to the range for a try out, and if they like it, come back next week with a low cost off-the-shelf rifle which will give them a decent chance of becoming competitive with others in the class. And even if prize meetings don't initially offer the basic class, there'll be plenty of "unofficial" competition at club shoots, and hopefully club championships will make room for them as well. So congratulations to the authors of these rules.

Alan I do agree with you I just can’t get over the limits on barrel profiles and diameters. Putting a maximum weight limit is plenty transparent. There are issues with the new limits on barrel taper and muzzle diameter in my opinion. However the key issue of custom builds outscoring factory rifles and being in the same class has been rectified. Now I just have to be able to decide on a new barrel profile and if I join the local production open crew or have to be considered ftr.

To be fair, the rules have always been Heavy Varmint as a maximum profile in SH.

As it was said to me, 'If everyone is complaining, then the rules are spot on'
I am glad that the new rules are out, and also have some objections, but after a year or so, they can be refined, rather than re written.
The field will be levelled to some extent by the use of no spikes (limited preload), scope magnification, and lightish rear squeeze bags, so custom gear really won't help that much.....
Anyone that thinks PR guys are going to be joining in numbers is dreaming, perhaps go to a PR shoot and get their opinion on prone shooting before making such statements.
I look forward to running the stability of a 7.5kg rifle in a class that can now be policed much easier.
My only hope is that we are mixed with other shooters at major events, not stuck on the farthest target due to muzzle brake users (I find their use for prone shooting offensive but also advantageous for heavy caliber rifles).

Brad Y wrote:

AlanF wrote:Having been involved in earlier discussions on this, I like these rules and think they'll be very good. Now that they're out there, we can adapt to them, and fine tune as necessary. The PC Open class will succeed for sure, and become the standard at local up to Kings prize meeting level. But keeping the basic PC class will allow new shooters to come to the range for a try out, and if they like it, come back next week with a low cost off-the-shelf rifle which will give them a decent chance of becoming competitive with others in the class. And even if prize meetings don't initially offer the basic class, there'll be plenty of "unofficial" competition at club shoots, and hopefully club championships will make room for them as well. So congratulations to the authors of these rules.

Alan I do agree with you I just can’t get over the limits on barrel profiles and diameters. Putting a maximum weight limit is plenty transparent. There are issues with the new limits on barrel taper and muzzle diameter in my opinion. However the key issue of custom builds outscoring factory rifles and being in the same class has been rectified. Now I just have to be able to decide on a new barrel profile and if I join the local production open crew or have to be considered ftr.

To be honest Brad, I didn't have good look at the PC Open rules. Was mainly pleased to see that new shooters will be protected from highly competitive and wealthy ones! The open class seems to be deliberately designed to include a wide range of equipment capability - for those who weren't satisfied with the original SH Discipline, maybe its been a case of "careful what you wish for"?

Congratulations , well done 2 new classes which gives a clear choice of direction of one’s preference or both I guess , for 99.9% perfect .

But…. 2 things ,

Barrel diameter rule for PCO is pathetic to say the least , I know PLENTY will have diameters go over by only thousands of an inch , don’t see this BS on any other discipline. Total Rifle weight and barrel length limit is Ok/enough to sort that out . PRS shooters potentially our next big grab will mostly not comply - missed opportunity there big time .

Rear bag design restriction is great idea , but the weight rule ? Really is again laughable

Both above mentioned also have to be policed by our over worked volunteer ROs (yes I do it )

Now let’s get shooting

New sporter class barrel, 0.8995" muzzle dia

Matt P wrote:New sporter class barrel, 0.8995" muzzle dia

Good time to set an example , can anyone clarify please ?

From discussion I’ve had this is legal if the barrel is a hv profile shortened at the muzzle end that would be thicker than 0.900” due to the taper. Also needed as maddco run 0.950 muzzles for their hv taper. And the description on NRAA site gives maddco barrel as an example… The barrel profiles and diameter limits are hopefully the first thing to go next revision.