Australian bipod

[BATattack]

Jasmay don't put all shooters in the same boat. . . . . I feel i can shoot resonably well and am pretty critical of my technique. Also i know how to maintain my gear as thats what i do for a job. There are plenty of others out there with the same or more skills than me that arent overly happy with whats currently on offer. Not just the joypod but but other alternarives as well.

Chirs is one and to the point where hes now making his own verson. BTW Chris i have shot off one of your early prototypes and its a good concept and very stable for the weight and easier to adjust from the shooting position so Im sure there will be a market for it!!

Along with the PM and the RTF there is also the SWAT and CI. . . . You know . . . ."strengths, weaknesses, opertunities, threats" and "continual improvement" and they are the things that have evolved shooting from pieces of pipe banded to sticks to what we bring to the line now.

Anyway i better get back to the drawing!!

[jasmay]

Of course Bat, as I said, I commend anyone trying to improve the sport and gear.

Just a lot of the noise you hear about problems are not always due to the gear as much as how people manage the gear.

[Pommy Chris]

I don’t think F-Open shooters will EVER shoot with a Bi-Pod.

Not sure why you would even compare the two, shooting off a rest vs bolting a bipod onto a gun has completely differet characteristics in design and also tuning.

Not even worth comparing IMO.

Also, all rests, including pedestal rests of all brands need servicing just like anything else with moving parts, service your gear, don’t wait for it to fail.

RTF = Run To Fail.

A classic issue that seems to plague a lot of shooters, people shoot a barrel without cleaning it and then wonder why at some point their group has opens up, because they chose to RTF.

Service your gear....

Jason,
First I am not putting Jopods down, but I dont believe they will ever replace a massive Seb rest in F Open. Some of the nicest groups I saw one of my FTR guns do was when it was shot at the Nationals by an open shooter using a massive open rest. Not surprising as everything is solid. We are both friends and you know me well and you know I look after my gear and clean and shoot quite well . Please do not take offense at any of this, I know you are the Aus distributor for Seb which as I said is a revolutionary product. What I am going to be selling is quite different and wont affect Seb sales as bipods are quite different beasts. But Seb should listen to these criticisms as many who love the Joypod say the same, maybe the next incarnation Seb might improve a few things. First the Seb has too much flex when up high and the wand and ball even with serviced Joypod can be touchy as it is very light. I long thought that a few grams more here might be weight worth having for something more stiff with a less touchy wand, but seriously hard to do with this weight restriction.
The screws for setting clearances seem to need checking every range and most who use the Seb do this, I use Allen keys provided to give the set screws at the front of headset a quick check just in case as not doing this has bitten me on the butt. Many Seb Joypod users do this as you know. These are not big issues but addressed would make a good product great even IMO if the Joypod is a tad heavier, not too much of course, but 50-100 grams more I think would change everything IMO.
I went away and took a totally different approach which is cheaper to make (Seb headset is complicated so costly). The Seb wand is an amazing thing to have but expensive to produce. I focused on super solid and weight, kept rear facing height adjustment but gave away windage adjustment here as very hard to make this ball set up light, stiff and strong. The two bipods are a different totally, some will always want the wand for windage, it is great to have in teams as we all know, but there is other ways to move left to right which is what I have looked at. Basically my new bipod is more traditional, but different too and very stiff, but missing the Seb windage on the wand which is nice to have but not everything either. The two products can and should exist side by side, I love my Joypod but for reasons mentioned but wish it was a little different too. I dont think anything at the weight of what I will release in a few weeks will be anything like so solid especially looking at other bipods on the market (most are heavier than Seb ). As an FTR shooter I dont think a bipod of 1kg will worry the Seb as people are chasing weight too much in FTR (rightly or wrongly). I am sure the OP bipod will be very nice indeed but too heavy for some shoters IMO 1kg and wont worry Seb sales too much as there are too many chasing weight. What I will release soon even if produced it to combat some of the Seb issues (small really) is traditional enough to be a different market totally and a different price range so again cant see it worrying you or Seb, but being very solid stiff and very light hopefully it will do well and there will be a windage solution coming later but again more tradition approach and again different. Dont want to say too much till the release, but the two can coexist as different customers, a little competition is always good and better for customer
All the best
Chris

[Pommy Chris]

Jasmay don't put all shooters in the same boat. . . . . I feel i can shoot resonably well and am pretty critical of my technique. Also i know how to maintain my gear as thats what i do for a job. There are plenty of others out there with the same or more skills than me that arent overly happy with whats currently on offer. Not just the joypod but but other alternarives as well.

Chirs is one and to the point where hes now making his own verson. BTW Chris i have shot off one of your early prototypes and its a good concept and very stable for the weight and easier to adjust from the shooting position so Im sure there will be a market for it!!

Along with the PM and the RTF there is also the SWAT and CI. . . . You know . . . ."strengths, weaknesses, opertunities, threats" and "continual improvement" and they are the things that have evolved shooting from pieces of pipe banded to sticks to what we bring to the line now.

Anyway i better get back to the drawing!!

Yes I know you had one of mine for a while
Good luck with the project, like I said more choice is good, I never did this for money it was always for the sport as this as anyone who knows me is a passion. I went out to produce something cheap and stable with profits at a minimum to make available to new shooters. Cheap good gear is good for all of us as more in the sport, hope to be shooting when someone has to wipe the dribble off my chin and wheel me onto the mound
Cheers
Chris

[jasmay]

Chris, I commend your efforts, as I have said twice already.

You won’t be the only competitor, so no offense taken, the joypods are so popular they’re always sold out, the market definitely has room.

Now, let’s pull on the old memory bank, let’s go back to the NRAA Queens last year do you recall what happened to your Joypod, and what the solution was? I do..... care to elaborate for the readers?

As for” but I dont believe they will ever replace a massive Seb rest in F Open“ of course they won’t, they’re not designed for that. (That said, I have shot F-Open off one pretty competitively)

Again, like I said, commendations to those that are willing to invest time and money into improving the sport all improvements are good even if they are just for individual use, plenty of people out there making too quality gear for personal use.

[Pommy Chris]

Chris, I commend your efforts, as I have said twice already.

You won’t be the only competitor, so no offense taken, the joypods are so popular they’re always sold out, the market definitely has room.

Now, let’s pull on the old memory bank, let’s go back to the NRAA Queens last year do you recall what happened to your Joypod, and what the solution was? I do..... care to elaborate for the readers?

As for” but I dont believe they will ever replace a massive Seb rest in F Open“ of course they won’t, they’re not designed for that. (That said, I have shot F-Open off one pretty competitively)

Again, like I said, commendations to those that are willing to invest time and money into improving the sport all improvements are good even if they are just for individual use, plenty of people out there making too quality gear for personal use.

My Joypod was fine, you serviced Betta's for her (she looks after her gear I look after mine) Betta is not a lady shooter who has partner do anything for her. She has an issue with the wand I think slipping and the headset was tight from memory and needed dismantling and lubing. Like I said mine was fine but got you to do mine too ie service it too which I appreciated. What is your point here?
Chris

[saum2]

Hi Chris,PM sent
Geoff Krake

[Dicko]

Hi Chris,
I too have a Joypod and have been getting excellent results with it.
I have had it now for a couple of years and its operation has been absolutely floorless to say the least nothing coming loose at all.With F Class standard being so competitive, I Thought after talking with some reasonable shooters that a rest might be a better alternative.The Seb Mini took my eye as a cheaper option to the hard to get NEO so I emailed, messaged and tried to call the Australian agent at least a couple of times but no reply as yet.
It seems like you are onto a good thing with your OZ POD Maybe I will try one of yours instead!
I will PM you.

[Pommy Chris]

Here is the first pic, more later The mock handle I am holding is what we are thinking for windage handle. We tried a prototype in this position and it worked great, production windage handle will be similar to the one in the pic. Actually on marine carpet with the pictured rifle it is possible to adjust windage with the elevation arm. There are two types, one with quick release pins and one with screws, the one with screws is 425g!!!! The one with quick release pins is 445g!!! so lighter than I thought
More pics later.download/file.php?mode=view&id=2184

[dummos]

Very interesting, i like that the legs will raise and lower without canting the rifle. Ill be keen to get a hold of one for FTR to try when you get into production.
Cheers
Matt

[Pommy Chris]

Very interesting, i like that the legs will raise and lower without canting the rifle. Ill be keen to get a hold of one for FTR to try when you get into production.
Cheers
Matt

Sent you a PM
Cheers
Chris