SA Queens F-Open Blog

[Lynn Otto]

Lynn, re-read my post!
IanP

Ian I am more than happy to stand corrected, to which end, which post did you wish me to re-read, the original post or the one you edited?

If it is the one you edited then my original disclaimer covers this as, if you are able to ascertain that there were no 4's in the F class scores then you must have the actual shot scores as opposed to just the totals. Problem solved.
If you don't have a shot for shot list then my query stands. Problem soved.

Either way, there isn't much of an issue here since you have no point of comparison...it was a new target that many or the TR and F Class people alike have not used before. All bets off, new game rules, fresh start.

Lynn

[RAVEN]

Hi Alan hope you have arrived home safely
What was it like to experience a SA 7mm SANDWICH

[bruce moulds]

ian,
i'm a bit slow.
did you call the 6 as 5, the 5 as 4. and so on for fclass, to make our scores out of 50.10 for your comparison.
if not, how would a comparison on this basis look.
bruce moulds.

[Paul Janzso]

Good one Rich, you forgot the 300 chaser.
Paul

[AlanF]

...What was it like to experience a SA 7mm SANDWICH

Now that's a very good analogy, because the filling is without doubt the best part of a sandwich !

At Canberra, a double layer cake will describe things better. Victoria will be the top layer, and everyone else will be in no particular order in the bottom layer......

Alan

PS. My 284 Shehane will begin testing soon .

[Paul Janzso]

Hi Alan, how was your trip home, no worries with flat tyres?
You should have droped your 284 with us on your way to W.A. and you would have had it ready to take home with you.
Layer Cake? S.A. is the ICING.
Cheers
Paul

[BATattack]

a bolt and barrel are on the way for sammy the 7mm SAUM. just trying to find a scope without windage turrets . . . i dont believe they will be required

[AlanF]

Hi Alan, how was your trip home, no worries with flat tyres?
You should have droped your 284 with us on your way to W.A. and you would have had it ready to take home with you.
Layer Cake? S.A. is the ICING.
Cheers
Paul

Made it home without a spare thanks. Found a large nail right in the middle of the tread. Never had a puncture in WA or Victoria - just SA - must have been sabotage!!!

See you in Canberra.

Alan

[RDavies]

Congratulations to Ian Pavy, Bill Freebairn (FSA)and FO Pinyon (TR) and everyone else who turned up to make a competition with a decent amount of shooters. It sounds like it was a good shoot. I would loved to have been there, I have wanted to take my family to S.A for a long time.
Its about time they held a Queens Prize shoot during school holidays, hope they do the same next year.
It is good to see the high scores of F class shooters going by the scoring system you used. Has the trend in F class been improving over the last few years? I mentioned in a post not long ago about F class scores increasing in general over the last few years, do calculations support this?

From Rod ,NSW (cherry on top of the icing)

[IanP]

Alan, I think you will find the 284S has a broad accuracy node but mine was "smithed" by a South Ozzie so I had a definite advantage. Having said that, my trigger guard was made by the same person who "smiths" for you.

Rod, as for scores, it looks good for F-Class that we have high scores across the three F-Class classes. As to how comparable the scores are with the highest T/R scores I think the chart posted earlier is pretty close.
As Lynn pointed out I dont have the shot by shot data but I do know that I only shot one scoring 4 for the whole event. The data is directly translated from F-Class to T/R assuming the winning F-Class scores were all in the 5 - X range.

Alan, all this talk of a Victorian cake walk is getting me interested in trying out for the SA team. I would like to see who ends up with cake on their face

IanP

[AlanF]

...Alan, all this talk of a Victorian cake walk is getting me interested in trying out for the SA team. I would like to see who ends up with cake on their face

IanP

Just make sure you prepare well. And pay particular attention to the part of the training where they teach you how to be graceful in defeat .

Alan

[bruce moulds]

ian,
i still can't understand how you equated the scores.
bruce moulds.

[RMc]

Bruce, Lynn, I am with you . There is one score that is a 51.02, this must have at least one 4 etc in it, but Ian has converted it to a 50.01. It is misleading to put a table like this togehter without posting the actual score cards.

[IanP]

It seems my quick conversion for top FO, FA and FB to TR has caused some confusion. The result has always been right but lets do it the way Lynn suggested and convert T/R to F-Class (60) scoring.

Lets do the first day's T/R 'A' grade top score and then I'll put the tables back up for each day and you will hopefully see that all 3 grades of F-Class beat the top 'A' grade T/R score.

I mean no disrespect to TR shooters I am just showing that F-Class scores are higher and thats as it should be as we dont have the handicap of using a sling. The standard in F-Class is lifting and thats as it should be.

Top TR Score Day 1, 50.05, 50.06, 48.03 converted to F-Class (60) becomes 55, 56, 51 for a total Agg of 162.

I will leave the F-Class scores as they are but leave off the X count so as not to confuse anyone. Day 1 Top FO Score 60, 60, 56 for a total of 176.

If you are with me so far then here are the tables based on the top scores for each grade on each day.

Day 1 AGG
TR 'A' 55- 56- 51- 162
FO --- 60- 60- 56- 176
FA --- 58- 57- 58- 173
FB --- 59- 51- 54- 164


Day 2 AGG
TR 'A' 56- 50- 56- 162
FO --- 58- 60- 57- 175
FA --- 59- 59- 53- 171
FB --- 58- 58- 55- 171


Day 3 AGG
TR 'A' 53- 54- 107
FO --- 60- 55- 115
FA --- 58- 59- 117
FB --- 58- 54- 112

I have nothing more to add to explain the comparison but if anyone else wants to jump in and say that the results are wrong then please provide the evidence to support the statements. I consider myself very much a newcomer to the sport and am more than happy to learn from those with real knowledge.

IanP

[Lynn Otto]

Ian, apart from saying "tut tut" at you condescending tone, my only other comment would be that while this is obviously more transparent, I personally still don't see the point. Why would you even want to compare F Class scores with TR, they are two totally different disciplines.

On second thoughts, a second comment, in relation to the new target. We have always aimed for that centre, it has always been our focus, so we moved to the new target more easily perhaps. Whereas TR only needed to make it into the five ring. I suspect it may take them a little time to come to terms with the new tighter target where they need to focus on a smaller point of aim but don't count them out just yet. Our apparently higher scores may not stay that way, but remember TR still only need to get 5's so there will never be a real basis of comparison.

If you want to show an improvement in F Class scores you need to make that comparison against itself ie F Class scores. Which realistically can't be done until we have some more runs on the board with the new target, otherwise they just aren't apples.

Sorry, I know it seems like I'm being pedantic, and maybe I am, but attention to detail and accuracy of data is important if you want to be serious about what you are presenting. What you have put forward is interesting in a very generalised way but is certainly not critical analysis.