SH Rule development (read the first post before commenting)

[macguru]

we could just rename it "sporter class" really all this emphasis on hunting is a bit over the top when we are shooting at such long ranges we need decent scopes and calibres

[bolster55]

Just imagine a new shooter wanting to shoot at 1000 yards using factory ammo loaded for shooting foxes!
And using a 3- 9 power scope

[macguru]

Exactly, I mean we are shooting alongside F class, at F class ranges and targets, so you need to be able to aim the thing at 1000 yards and use a decent calibre rifle otherwise you are wasting everybody's time. The scorer, the other shooters and your own.

[bolster55]

We'll just have to hope that sanity prevails

[Weairy]

It’s still a case of do you want;
A) “Simulated Hunting” class; use the gear you’d use out bush on the range
Or
B) F-Class style shooting with less suitable rifles and equipment than normal.

That really decides the direction the class should/could take. Let’s be fair, not a lot of traditional hunting rifles and scopes are suited to 1000yd shooting. If I took the deer rifle we’ve got in the cupboard to the range (original 8mm Mauser with a 3-9x Tasco), I’d be told to go home after two shots on an electronic target…

[dazza284]

Just imagine a new shooter wanting to shoot at 1000 yards using factory ammo loaded for shooting foxes!
And using a 3- 9 power scope

This is what it should be and they should put in a100 and 200 yd mound using the equipment you describe shoot between 100 200 300 400 500 and 600 yd that would really cover hunter class as far as I am concerned basic sport weight rifles no heavy barrels and up to 16x scope.
It is after all hunter class not varmint class .
JMHO

[lonerider43]

Just imagine a new shooter wanting to shoot at 1000 yards using factory ammo loaded for shooting foxes!
And using a 3- 9 power scope

This is what it should be and they should put in a100 and 200 yd mound using the equipment you describe shoot between 100 200 300 400 500 and 600 yd that would really cover hunter class as far as I am concerned basic sport weight rifles no heavy barrels and up to 16x scope.
It is after all hunter class not varmint class .
JMHO

i agree with ya mostly,but....
those clubs [like mine] that dont have a 1,2 and 400 yrd mound arent going to justify the cost and hassle of building mounds just to appease the 4 or5 hunting rifles that MIGHT turn up to shoot 5 or 6 times a year. [even with et's]
if hunters were really that interested in competing they could easily get a single shot rifle at not an enormous price and have a go.
omark,musgrave and winchester to name a couple.there are many that could be used.

[dazza284]

Just imagine a new shooter wanting to shoot at 1000 yards using factory ammo loaded for shooting foxes!
And using a 3- 9 power scope

This is what it should be and they should put in a100 and 200 yd mound using the equipment you describe shoot between 100 200 300 400 500 and 600 yd that would really cover hunter class as far as I am concerned basic sport weight rifles no heavy barrels and up to 16x scope.
It is after all hunter class not varmint class .
JMHO

i agree with ya mostly,but....
those clubs [like mine] that dont have a 1,2 and 400 yrd mound arent going to justify the cost and hassle of building mounds just to appease the 4 or5 hunting rifles that MIGHT turn up to shoot 5 or 6 times a year. [even with et's]
if hunters were really that interested in competing they could easily get a single shot rifle at not an enormous price and have a go.
omark,musgrave and winchester to name a couple.there are many that could be used.

I don't know too many hunters that would spend $2000 just to try something the point to my remarks is that the 2 clubs I have been to the closest mound is 300 yd 2 most hunters150 yd is a long shot .
how does somebody go in and shoot if 300y Intimidateds them which would be probably 80% of hunters if you are trying to attract people to the sport you must make it easy for them or they just won't come back.
I have never been to a sight in day or come and try so am just wondering how this is done with 300y being the minimum .

[Weairy]

I have never been to a sight in day or come and try so am just wondering how this is done with 300y being the minimum .

We held a come and try day, had 67 shooters turn up. About 20-25 brought their own gear, all hunters. Our only rules were you had to know your basic zero range, whatever it was, and keep within the range template (under 8mm, under 3500ftlb).

All set up at 300yd. We pinned a piece of 32mm ply to the mound, painted it bright pink to give them a spotter and had a bloke with them that knew how to spot and adjust accordingly. Most got on target within a few shots. They then had the option to shoot the ET if they wanted to. They were all chewing at the bit to try their hand at 300yd shooting, everything from 223s and 22-250s, to 30-06s and 300 Win Mags.

We supplied three rifles, factory barrelled Rem700 223 and 308 set up for Sporting Hunter and a “typical” rifle you’d see ($700 vortex scope, basic adjustable stock on one, chassis and Nightforce in the other because it’s my Precision Service Rifle) and one TR for those wanting to try peeps. Big bags of factory ammo at $2 per shot to cover costs, which we zeroed the day before. One experienced shooting coach per lane to guide them through and adjust scopes where needed. And let them have at it.
4 of the hunters have already signed up to shoot competition and a few more are keen.

We are looking at installing a 100m mound to accommodate load dev/zeroing in the near future, funds permitting.

It’s all about accommodating shooters from all backgrounds and making it work. A little thinking goes a long long way.

[Blade]

It's fairly simple...

Sporter/Hunter should have 2 "sub classes"

Class 1 - Standard/off the shelf/Off the shelf parts build rifle...
- As purchased by "hunters".. Any scope can be used, Factory Ammo is required (no hand load)..

It doesn't matter if you've bought a RPR 300PRC or built a Howa 1500 223 in an oryx chassis.. Anyone can purchase the same rifle from any reputable store. Factory Ammo leans towards a more "level playing field".. You want to attempt 900yds with a 223? Go for it, (probably will need a kestrel ).
Class 1 is an intro class.. It's a fun, shoot what you bring and becomes more a "bragging rights" between mates. More importantly, this gives clubs the chance to gain new members who aren't intimidated by having to shoot against guys talking about hand loads etc.. They won't be under the impression that they need new tech and $1k worth of loading equipment to turn up... It gives them the "option" to upgrade later on but more importantly makes the sport achievable.
Competition for this could be based on points scored between 200-500yds (maybe bonus points on the longer stuff), but keeping the focus on "hunting distance" (if you can call it that).
Realistically, these guys will be happy just to see hits on targets... and would probably be pumped if they get a stubby holder for winning..

Class 2 - Modified hunting/off the shelf rifles/custom builds... Custom barrels etc.. Hand Loading is allowed... This is the class for the "sporters".. Build what you like (within reason) -
Class 2 is for those who are upgrading rifles, handloading and chasing the super centre.. They can throw around the cash etc and compare "rifle sizes"...
This is the class for (Gone in 60 seconds quote) "self-Indulgent wieners in this city with too much bloody money! " (sorry, couldn't help myself)

By keeping it simple, it will make life easier for those looking to start participating. You could even run class 1 as "hunter" and class 2 as "sporter"..

[macguru]

does anyone know when any clearer set of rules will be released ? I would like to buy another scope but first I would like to know what is happening...

[Weairy]

does anyone know when any clearer set of rules will be released ? I would like to buy another scope but first I would like to know what is happening...

Rumoured to be a new set of rules in the next SSR updates, which I thought was actually due 30/06/23. Would love it if the NRAA would give some timelines to this stuff publicly….

[Lithgow]

does anyone know when any clearer set of rules will be released ? I would like to buy another scope but first I would like to know what is happening...

25x would be a good bet and I reckon this week.

[Weairy]

does anyone know when any clearer set of rules will be released ? I would like to buy another scope but first I would like to know what is happening...

25x would be a good bet and I reckon this week.

I think 32x was the proposed change to power, but that was a while back, it might have all been flipped on its head. Hopefully 32x, otherwise I’m on the hunt for yet another scope

[Amac]

does anyone know when any clearer set of rules will be released ? I would like to buy another scope but first I would like to know what is happening...

Rumoured to be a new set of rules in the next SSR updates, which I thought was actually due 30/06/23. Would love it if the NRAA would give some timelines to this stuff publicly….

New rules to be posted this week.