Commonwealth Games

Triplejim · Post by **Triplejim** » Wed Oct 20, 2010 5:43 pm

ger wrote: We need to understand why "dirty" targets cause the problems they do and find a solution
Geoff.

Right on the money.

Triplejim · Post by **Triplejim** » Wed Oct 20, 2010 5:56 pm

ger wrote:If triangulating, that time needs to be converted into distance and to do that you need to know the speed of sound _relative_ to the sensors. And that is a function of the speed of sound through your primary medium - in my case air. But it is also a function of the slope angle of the supersonic cone which is in turn a function of the projectile velocity (in terms of mach no).
Geoff.

The Suis Ascor targets were faltering more at the longer distances and I'II bet they don't have this algorithm written into their 30 year old programming language. After all, the processor chip is Motorolla 6800 series....

Triplejim · Post by **Triplejim** » Thu Oct 21, 2010 10:10 am

http://www.sius.com/downloads/Flyer/BO1 ... rscore.pdf

Suis Ascor are moving to laserscore because "there is no risk of parallax errors when shooting at an angle on the target."

RDavies · Post by **RDavies** » Thu Oct 21, 2010 1:32 pm

Sorry to jump back to the original topic, but congratulations on your medal Jim. =D>

Triplejim · Post by **Triplejim** » Thu Oct 21, 2010 1:42 pm

the whole competition was a disgrace;

http://www.hindustantimes.com/specials/ ... 15626.aspx

Post by **AlanF** » Thu Oct 21, 2010 2:41 pm

James,

Is the Commonwealth Games Federation taking any of the flak? After all they chose the venue, and seemed to have some responsibility for ensuring that the organisers were ready?

Alan

Triplejim · Post by **Triplejim** » Thu Oct 21, 2010 2:54 pm

The Commonwealth Shooting Federation run the shooting events at the Commonwealth Games. They had no rules or protocol written for electronic targets (other than explanatory notes on button pushing).

Post by **AlanF** » Thu Oct 21, 2010 3:17 pm

So when an event is a success, every organising body is lining up to take some of the credit. Here we have a failure - and of course no-one in the queue...

They will have to demonstrate that problems have been addressed before Scotland, or they may not get many entries.

Alan

ger · Post by **ger** » Thu Oct 21, 2010 3:24 pm

AlanF wrote:So when an event is a success, every organising body is lining up to take some of the credit. Here we have a failure - and of course no-one in the queue...

They will have to demonstrate that problems have been addressed before Scotland, or they may not get many entries.

Alan

I think you have put into a few lines what I took 3 postings to convey...

Triplejim · Post by **Triplejim** » Thu Oct 21, 2010 3:36 pm

TR has 4 sets of rules.

CSF for CWGames
ICFRA for Palma match
NRAGB for "World" Championships
NRAA for Nationals and State Championships

Only ISSF have rules and protocol written for electronic targets
We are the only shooting sport in the CWG not under ISSF rules.....

Triplejim · Post by **Triplejim** » Thu Oct 21, 2010 4:40 pm

Razer wrote: Manual marking was not an option as the range is on an area of flat land,no pits, one shooting mound, with targets being moved down the range to get the required distances. This particular "E" target is different to the Kongs,etc. in that it only has sensors along the bottom of frame, not at corners like others. Ray.

There is a full concrete mantlet and pits at Kardapur, no target machines.
You could use the concrete target pad for firing points but the richochet walls would need lowering to comply for range template
The Suis Ascor have sensors in each corner same as Kongsberg

johnk · Post by **johnk** » Thu Oct 21, 2010 6:51 pm

Triplejim wrote:The Suis Ascor have sensors in each corner same as Kongsberg

...the difference being that the latter works effectively & efficiently out to 1200 yards, if the word coming from Blair Athol range in Scotland is anything to go on.

Razer · Post by **Razer** » Thu Oct 21, 2010 9:33 pm

Sorry James for the error re: range. I read a report from the April CSF shoot which said after the shoot, the range had to be restored to its original condition which was "flat" and therefore there were no stop butts. From this I assumed there would also be no mantlet/pits. My mistake for both assumptions :oops:

Also mixed target sensor configuration which is another brand :oops:

The rest of my post re: they had plenty of time and opportunity to get things right following the fiasco of the CSf shoot still stands and with what you have said about there being concrete mantlet and pits,why didn't they put in manual targets to start with?? They would have conformed to CSF regulations far better than "E" targets, and been a lot cheaper, [besides being more accurate/reliable :?:

] .
When I saw that you and Geoff were 1st and 2nd in the individual and you were leading the pairs, my thoughts were then that the final 1000yds result was not going to the most deserving, but to those whose target didn't fail. That is how obvious the Canadian blog portrayed the situation.
Ray.

Triplejim · Post by **Triplejim** » Fri Oct 22, 2010 8:52 am

There are added comments at the Hindustan Times, second post by Sandy Peden, Manager of the Canadian Team.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/specials/ ... 15626.aspx

Triplejim · Post by **Triplejim** » Fri Oct 22, 2010 11:25 am

followup article in Bendigo Advertiser
http://www.bendigoadvertiser.com.au/new ... torypage=0