More SH Class Questions

[Tsv900]

Hey all

I had my first practice shoot on the weekend and was quite happy with how my rifle performed. The guys there were super welcoming and helpful too and I'm keen on doing the next available SH competition that they offer.

Anyway, I have some questions on the rules that I'm a little unclear on as well as some rifle health questions.

I only shot 5-7 rounds at a time as my barrel was getting quite hot, so I was letting it cool for 15 mins.

How many rounds are shot in SH Class per stage and how long do you have to fire all of those shots. I have 2 sighters and 10 scocing shots? I have a heavy varmint barrel as standard but even with that it was getting very hot. What's a good way to manage this heat in thr given time frame for those 10-12 shots?

The NRAA rules say that any stock may be fitted as long as the rifle is within the weight limit. It also says muzzle brakes are allowed and magazines can be used.
However, I asked about the rules at the club and I was told they allow changed stocks and brakes in SH open, but not in production. They also said that its single feed only.

Are the rules determined from club to club? If so, this is a little confusing and it makes me wonder where I can and can't invest in my rifle.

With that, being my first time shooting prone with a carpet floor, I noticed a substantial increase in stability and about 50% less felt recoil compared to shooting from a concrete bench. My reticle stayed on target for almost every shot, so I'm not feeling the need for a muzzle brake but I'd still rather a more comfortable stock.

Rear bags - mine has ears. The rules say that rear bags must be squeeze bags however no one said anything about my rear bag. This brings me back to being confused on whether rules are NRAA standardised or if they're set from club to club.

Scoring - I can't find solid data on this. How is SH Class scored? With the shots I took, I was only shooting 5-7 rounds at a time including sighters. However I can see on the score it says 4, 5 or 6. Is SH Class scored overall out of 10 from the given group? Or is it the same as F Class where the half MOA circle gets you a 10, a 9 for the 1MOA circle and an 8 for the 2 MOA circle?

Interestingly, the ballistically Superior Norma Golden Target 130gr didn't perform quote as well as the Sako TRG Precision, I'm guessing this is because the Sako has an open tip bullet where the Norma does not. In the groups shown below, I know I have a lot to work on as the shooter, but even with that the Sako TRG was giving me much tighter groups than the Norma.

https://imgur.com/a/7zU4PnX

The first 2 targets at 500, 600 and 700m were shot with the Norma and the last 2 at 700m were shot with the Sako TRG. On the next practice shoot I might try the Hornady ELDM alongside the Sako and stick with the best performer from there as I keep developing my own skills. With that, the Hornady is $15 more per box so it really depends how many rounds are shot per stage.

Anyway, I left the shoot feeling very privileged to have access to such a range and excited to go to the next practice day then signing up for the next available comp. However, I'm also a little confused on the rules and I'd love to change my stock but am very unclear on whether or not I can whilst staying in SH production.
I'd rather compete with standard barrelled actions and SH Open evidently allows for custom barrels. So I'm keen on staying in SH production buy I don't want to be at a disadvantage if certain accessories/stock changes are allowed at some clubs but aren't at others.

Cheers.

PS: In before the next round of botcusations. I'm just an enthusiastic shooter.

[Mick S]

You need to fire 10 scoring shots, this will not hurt your barrel
You are shooting hunter class so 4 is 4, 5 is 5, 6 is a V, x is a V for a total possible score of 50.10
You can’t have a bag with ears

Many clubs have various range rules that apply to that range, ie single loading and no brakes, you have to abide by these rules or you will be told to leave

[Mick S]

That target scores 30.1 because you would convert your sighters out of a possible of 50, because you didn’t complete the match

[Tsv900]

You need to fire 10 scoring shots, this will not hurt your barrel
You are shooting hunter class so 4 is 4, 5 is 5, 6 is a V, x is a V for a total possible score of 50.10
You can’t have a bag with ears

Many clubs have various range rules that apply to that range, ie single loading and no brakes, you have to abide by these rules or you will be told to leave

It makes sense on the total score, I hadn't even noticed the total score and had only seen the singular numbers. Now I'm wishing I shot these as full 10 round shots, I will next time though.

What happens if someone shoots 10 6's though? Are V and X the first and second zone and how many points are they worth?

I'll of course abude by the rules, I just wasn't sure if they were club specific or NRAA standardised.

Thanks for your help!

[mike H]

Sport Hunter is scored as iron on the screen you are looking at,your 600 M target is scored correctly.All that is needed is for the screen to be set for the discipline being shot,Fclass or Target Rifle (iron sights).At this stage of your shooting,I would recommend a steady approach until you get more familiar with the ins and outs of the matches and your rifle.Whatever you do,please don’t start believing a different stock,barrel or muzzle brake is needed,what you have is fine.

[Tsv900]

Sport Hunter is scored as iron on the screen you are looking at,your 600 M target is scored correctly.All that is needed is for the screen to be set for the discipline being shot,Fclass or Target Rifle (iron sights).At this stage of your shooting,I would recommend a steady approach until you get more familiar with the ins and outs of the matches and your rifle.Whatever you do,please don’t start believing a different stock,barrel or muzzle brake is needed,what you have is fine.

Thanks for pointing out that it's scored on the irons. I was just curious on the intricate details but if the computer is calculating it all I guess it doesn't matter.

It's not that I think they're needed, I just don't love the ergonomics of the standard stock and would prefer a flatter buttstock in then rear bag. Being my first time shooting prone, I felt significantly less recoil than shooting from a bench and definitely don't feel the need for a brake.

It's not so much a need but more of a would be more comfortable to have.

Cheers again,

[Mick S]

Don’t be in a hurry to change stocks, I generally shoot a CTR in 6.5CM and do pretty well, your rifle will be even better due to the heavier barrel

[Lithgow]

Unfortunately, too many clubs run whatever rules they see fit.

This can be very detrimental to the class as it means you can't shoot like that in Prize shoots or State level events, which will disadvantage you.

Have a good read of the NRAA rules for Sporter and shoot to those rules so that if you decide to enter a comp, you don't need to learn a new setup or remove items from your gear.

Learn the class and the rifle before worrying about spending coin!

Once you have your head around the sport, you will know what you need.

If you have the time, head to a state level event and introduce yourself, most of us are very willing to guide fresh shooters and you will understand the rules and the process much quicker.

ACT Kings is on in 10 days.

Hopefully we see you on the mound soon!

[Blindbat]

SPORTER DISCIPLINE
This discipline is intended to allow commercially available (shop purchased) sporting/hunting/varmint repeating type centrefire rifles to be used on NRAA rifle ranges. The discipline is both participative and competitive, to allow new shooters with existing rifles entry into the sport.
23.1 Standard Rules
Following Rules are applicable to Sporter Discipline regardless of Class of Rifle being used:
23.1.1 Over the course of an aggregate, competitors are only permitted to change rifles should the first rifle become unsafe or unserviceable and only if the Range Officer verifies this to be so.
23.1.2 Any stock that fits within the weight restrictions for the class being competed in may be used and the action may be bedded in the stock.
23.1.3 Muzzles Brakes are permitted, subject to approval by the Organising body/Range Officer and provided they are allowed under the Range Standing Orders or Police Range Approval.
23.1.4 Any safe, mechanical trigger may be used. Triggers must be manually operated. Electronic set of release triggers are not permitted.
23.1.4.1 A trigger shall be deemed safe:
(a) if its activating mechanism is enclosed in a suitable trigger guard;
(b) vigorous cycling of the action does not cause the trigger to release.
23.1.5 Magazines may be used subject to approval of the Organising Body/Range Officer, the Range Standing Orders and Police Range Approval.
23.1.5.1 If the number of shots in a given match exceed the capacity of the magazine, additional magazines sufficient to complete the stage are permitted.
23.1.5.2 All magazines must be loaded and unloaded on the mound prior to and after the shooting detail.
23.1.5.3 The competitor is to be in the firing position before placing a magazine into the rifle and to the ‘load’ or the ‘Range is Open’ command has been given by the RO.
23.1.6 Rounds may also be manually placed into the magazine by virtue of single round loading, or by direct loading into the chamber of the rifle. Where removal of rounds from the rifle can only be achieved by cycling the bolt, rounds shall only be singly loaded.
23.1.7 On completion of the detail, the action of the rifle is to be opened, the bolt, magazine and any floor plate removed; the chamber and the magazine are to be inspected by the competitor and scorer to ensure that both are free from live rounds and empty cases; once confirmed the Empty Chamber Indicator (ECI) is to be inserted.
23.1.8 Any sight may be used, including magnifying or telescopic up to a maximum magnification of 25 X (times). Any telescopic sights with greater magnification must be set to a maximum of 25 X for the duration of the match. Sight magnification may be checked by the Range Officer at any time that does not unduly affect the shooter.
Standard Shooting Rules Page 117 of 162 July 2023 Issue - Version 7.3
National Rifle Association of Australia Limited
23.1.8.1 A competitor found to be using magnification greater than 25 X, in the first instance shall be given a warning. Subsequent breaches shall result in deduction of score in alignment with Chapter 9.5.
23.1.9 Ammunition may be commercial or handloaded but loaded in a manner with the ammunition industry’s accepted standards; must be safe in the rifle for which it is intended and must meet in all respects the limitations of any range regulations (e.g. calibre, velocity muzzle and muzzle energy). Refer to Chapter 3 - APPENDIX 1 Reference to CHAPTER 3 for approved cartridges and calibres.
23.1.10 Front Rests – The front of the rifle may be supported by a sporting type folding bipod (e.g. Harris, Atlas or similar)
23.1.11.1 Bipod legs in an unextended position must not exceed 36 cm (14 inches) footprint centre to centre of the point of contact with the ground.
23.1.11.2 The bipod must be resting directly on the ground with no mat or plate under the bipod.
23.1.11.3 The bipod must not be fitted with spikes or skis.
23.1.11.4 The bipod must not be connected to the shooting mat.
23.1.12 A rear bag may be used. If used, it must be easily deformable (by hand) and weigh less than 1.0 Kg. F-class style bags with ears are not permitted. No solid base or stacking plates are permitted.
23.1.13 A shooting mat may be used in accordance with TR and F Class Rules.
23.1.14 Scoring shall be as per TR rules as specified in 4.1.3 unless otherwise advertised by the Organising body.
23.2 Class of Rifles
23.2.1 The Organising body will determine which classes shall be competed for at any competition. Competitors should not expect all classes defined in this section to be offered for all matches. Rather, they are intended to provide consistent terminology for both competitors and organisers, and to ensure competition is as fair as possible.
23.2.2 The classes being competed for shall be advertised at least 7 days prior to the commencement of shooting.
23.3 Production Class (PC)
Any rifle purchased as a standard factory-made and manufactured (i.e. factory made mass produced for retail), commercially available sporting/hunting style rifle. It must have the original chambering (cartridge) without the features or attachments that would deem it in the style of target rifle, and which complies with the following conditions:
23.3.1 Barrels must be factory fitted, of original equipment manufacturer specification and no more than 66.04 cm (26 inches) in length – not including muzzle brake if fitted.
23.3.2 Weight shall be less than 6.5kg (14.3 lbs), including bolt, the mounted telescopic sight and bipod. No additional weights may be added to any part of the rifle.
Standard Shooting Rules Page 118 of 162 July 2023 Issue - Version 7.3
National Rifle Association of Australia Limited
23.4 Production Class Open (PCO)
Any rifle that does not fit the rules outlined in 23.2 including any rifle that would be deemed Production Class in 23.2 with the following modifications:
23.4.1 Rebarrelled or rechambered Production Class rifle with the replacement barrel not exceeding heavy varmint profile not exceeding 22.86 mm (0.9 inches) at the muzzle and 68.5 cm (27 inches) in length – not including muzzle brake if fitted.
23.4.2 Weight shall be less than 7.5 kg, including bolt, the mounted telescopic sight and bipod. No additional weights may be added to any part of the rifle.

[PeteFox]

PS: In before the next round of botcusations. I'm just an enthusiastic shooter.

Either you're getting AI to write your posts or my original assessment stands

"botcusations" is an unusual word that only pops up in steampunk gaming forums. It's used by bots who have been called out. It's clever in an AI sort of way.

I'd like to know how, at a 500m range your targets are 600m and 700m.
Why at a SSAA range are they shooting 6 and X targets, thats pretty NRAA specific,

Perhaps you should post up some original photos ON THIS FORUM, not a link, that can verify your shooting adventures, perhaps one of the range you were at, without the metadata stripped out.

Gents, I know you are trying to be helpful, but you're taking the bait and being bled dry and informing the AI algorithm how to be better next time.

No more from me on this
Pete

[mike H]

Pete,the rifle range has targets set up at different distances,firing is from indoors out of a tunnel,for noise reduction requirements,some people could be shooting short range,others longer ranges at the same time.

[Tsv900]

PS: In before the next round of botcusations. I'm just an enthusiastic shooter.

Either you're getting AI to write your posts or my original assessment stands

"botcusations" is an unusual word that only pops up in steampunk gaming forums. It's used by bots who have been called out. It's clever in an AI sort of way.

I'd like to know how, at a 500m range your targets are 600m and 700m.
Why at a SSAA range are they shooting 6 and X targets, thats pretty NRAA specific,

Perhaps you should post up some original photos ON THIS FORUM, not a link, that can verify your shooting adventures, perhaps one of the range you were at, without the metadata stripped out.

Gents, I know you are trying to be helpful, but you're taking the bait and being bled dry and informing the AI algorithm how to be better next time.

No more from me on this
Pete

Alright man, I'm not saying this to be funny but are you okay? You honestly seem to suffer from some sort of paranoia/irrational fear of AI.

I've played a lot of FPS games over the years and back in the Battlefield 3 days I used to watch a guy called RivalXFactor who frequently used the term "botcusations" as he received a lot of them. It's not as though it's some secretive and unheard of term.

These shots weren't done at an SSAA range. I'm pretty sure anyone here knows that Eagle Park doesn't use electronic targets to begin with. Their only public target is a pink painted gong at 500m which has a smaller rectangular plate beside it.
There used to be a gong at 400m, but I haven't seen it the last few times I've been there. Otherwise you take your own targets and can set them during ceasefires which occur every 20ish minutes. If you recall, in my previous post I started that I had an upcoming shoot at a VRA club that goes to 900m. I went there, for my first time on Saturday and they had the 300, 500, 600 and 700m targets open.

If you can read, I started that 500m was the furthest I had shot at the time, given that I'd only been to Eagle Park until 3 days ago.

A stranger wanting to know my full identity on a forum is getting a little weird. Maybe I'm a little embarrassed about my obsessive enthusiasm and need to know all the intricate details.

I'm confused on the conflicting rules between what I was told at the club and the NRAA website. I made a post to get clarity. What possible purpose would AI have in doing that?

You should seriously get yourself checked out man.

[Tsv900]

Pete,the rifle range has targets set up at different distances,firing is from indoors out of a tunnel,for noise reduction requirements,some people could be shooting short range,others longer ranges at the same time.

Replying so he can read this twice, as he doesn't appear to take things in the first time.

[Tsv900]

PS: In before the next round of botcusations. I'm just an enthusiastic shooter.

Either you're getting AI to write your posts or my original assessment stands

"botcusations" is an unusual word that only pops up in steampunk gaming forums. It's used by bots who have been called out. It's clever in an AI sort of way.

I'd like to know how, at a 500m range your targets are 600m and 700m.
Why at a SSAA range are they shooting 6 and X targets, thats pretty NRAA specific,

Perhaps you should post up some original photos ON THIS FORUM, not a link, that can verify your shooting adventures, perhaps one of the range you were at, without the metadata stripped out.

Gents, I know you are trying to be helpful, but you're taking the bait and being bled dry and informing the AI algorithm how to be better next time.

No more from me on this
Pete

Oh and just to add.

I did originally click the photo icon in the original post and it just came up with img/img in the text with square brackets either side (if I try and type it exactly as it appeared it doesn't come up in the post) when I'd assumed it would take to my gallery. So I made an imgur account to post them via a link.

The fact that I have to explain this and explain why I know the meaning of a fairly commonly known word among gamers is absolutely wild.

[macguru]

LMAO I think Pete may be right .... who knows lol