Stock Rigidity
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Re: Stock Rigidity
Hey Rebel I have made a few composite stocks and some had too much flex and wouldn’t group especially with the heavy recoil I was shooting. They were the ones that were using foam filling materials to keep weight down. I ended up going to a solid type of fill like Macmillan’s use on my current stock and it is very good, just very heavy. When I have filmed my current stocks and watched them in slow motion and it is amazing how much they ‘flex’ or move under recoil. I think what is important is there is not too much flex and it is consistent.
Dave your reference to rail guns and rigidity has been raised by Tony Z on this matter too. Seems as long as what ever is made is consistent shot to shot along with the other aspects that you mentioned it may not be possible to be too rigid.
Gyro would be interested to see a picture of your stock. Sounds interesting. Any chance of showing me a photo. I too have also read that thread (is a sticky in this forum) on stock design and recoil.
Dave your reference to rail guns and rigidity has been raised by Tony Z on this matter too. Seems as long as what ever is made is consistent shot to shot along with the other aspects that you mentioned it may not be possible to be too rigid.
Gyro would be interested to see a picture of your stock. Sounds interesting. Any chance of showing me a photo. I too have also read that thread (is a sticky in this forum) on stock design and recoil.
Thanks Al
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Re: Stock Rigidity
Al. I'm shy of putting up a pic just yet as the way I've made this stock, around a Barnard SC receiver, and using the receiver as a "stressed member " is as far I know new. It's NOT a design that lends itself to a production run scenario though as it's way too time consuming and technical to make, except for somebody like me with lots of free time and the know how. At the end of the day it's pretty much as DaveMc puts it .... " it's how everything works together ".
I reckon the load gets tuned to the gun and when you change one thing your actually changing other things too. All kinds of setups can probably work but I still reckon an overly flexible stock is one to avoid ! Fine in the perfect world when the conditions are easy and you've lots of time to focus on the gun handling but when the conditions get hard then ya need a gun that essentially drives itself, so you totally focus on trying to make sense of the conditions. The only big shoot that I go near is our Nationals at Trentham and it's normally a place with hard conditions, hence my thinking.
The last " flexible " stock I made was about 4 years ago. One day it would shoot lights out then the next day it was SHITE. Once I saw that pattern clearly it went to the dump with some household rubbish, despite the fact I'd put a lot of time into making it. God I waffle on ..... cheers Rob Kerridge
I reckon the load gets tuned to the gun and when you change one thing your actually changing other things too. All kinds of setups can probably work but I still reckon an overly flexible stock is one to avoid ! Fine in the perfect world when the conditions are easy and you've lots of time to focus on the gun handling but when the conditions get hard then ya need a gun that essentially drives itself, so you totally focus on trying to make sense of the conditions. The only big shoot that I go near is our Nationals at Trentham and it's normally a place with hard conditions, hence my thinking.
The last " flexible " stock I made was about 4 years ago. One day it would shoot lights out then the next day it was SHITE. Once I saw that pattern clearly it went to the dump with some household rubbish, despite the fact I'd put a lot of time into making it. God I waffle on ..... cheers Rob Kerridge
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Re: Stock Rigidity
I’m following this one with interest.
My situation is that I’ve recently sold my f class gear to finish building my house while I’m on apprentice wages. It won’t be A fair while before I’m able to participate in any form of shooting again, but I’m slowly making inroads into that.
My aim is to build a multi purpose ftr, 1kbr and 500 fly stock. I’m going for something similar to that of what Bryan litz uses in shape. I understand it’s not designed for f class, but I feel it could be quite suitable for all 3 disciplines with some tweaks and obviously some work on technique while using it off a bipod.
My situation is that I’ve recently sold my f class gear to finish building my house while I’m on apprentice wages. It won’t be A fair while before I’m able to participate in any form of shooting again, but I’m slowly making inroads into that.
My aim is to build a multi purpose ftr, 1kbr and 500 fly stock. I’m going for something similar to that of what Bryan litz uses in shape. I understand it’s not designed for f class, but I feel it could be quite suitable for all 3 disciplines with some tweaks and obviously some work on technique while using it off a bipod.
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Re: Stock Rigidity
Try some Benchrest or Fly shooting and back your rifle up to the firing point with your rifle on a block of steel or concrete
I have not seen too many win over a nice lump of wood with a driver shooting it the way it needs to be driven
Shooters Do Not spend more time in shooting the equipment and finding out what the rifle needs to do to shoot, soft hold ,hard hold ,or in the middle.
You will be SUPRISED in trying this method ,
Go to the range and hug it hard for five shots , Then free recoil for five shots
And see the diff,
you may be chasing a load you already had, or might think twice about bagging a scope, or wind,
Chop
I have not seen too many win over a nice lump of wood with a driver shooting it the way it needs to be driven
Shooters Do Not spend more time in shooting the equipment and finding out what the rifle needs to do to shoot, soft hold ,hard hold ,or in the middle.
You will be SUPRISED in trying this method ,
Go to the range and hug it hard for five shots , Then free recoil for five shots
And see the diff,
you may be chasing a load you already had, or might think twice about bagging a scope, or wind,
Chop
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Re: Stock Rigidity
True Chop. You could actually write a book on this subject though. The way a rifle is 'driven ' of course has huge implications for where the shots go. The time the bullet is in the barrel is said to be 2 milliseconds and it seems obvious to me a lot can happen in that time re where the barrel ends up pointing as the bullet exits. Shooters spend HUGE money on say the scope so they can see flies on the 1000 yard target but that absolutely doesn't mean the bullet will go to the right place !!
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Re: Stock Rigidity
It's funny how this topic has come up, im in the process of changing my stock on my fstd rifle.. Reason being is im not completely comfortable shooting my current stock on the mound..
This stock however is extremely comfortable from a bench...
I wouldn't use something with a thumbhole for BR, but I think it might suit me more for fclass shooting..
Im looking at the Fopen stock built by Joe West, has anyone had anything to do with his stocks?
Any feed back would be greatly appreciated..
Cheers
Alan
This stock however is extremely comfortable from a bench...
I wouldn't use something with a thumbhole for BR, but I think it might suit me more for fclass shooting..
Im looking at the Fopen stock built by Joe West, has anyone had anything to do with his stocks?
Any feed back would be greatly appreciated..
Cheers
Alan
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Re: Stock Rigidity
NO. Isn't there a good plain Jane laminated stock made in Oz that's left beefed up through the mid-section ?
I see online the Spear of Destiny stock from Shurley Brothers made I believe with collaboration from Mr Gonzales . I think. Just buy that Wal they're only $2250 US.
I see online the Spear of Destiny stock from Shurley Brothers made I believe with collaboration from Mr Gonzales . I think. Just buy that Wal they're only $2250 US.
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Re: Stock Rigidity
A lot needs to be said for what is winning. Bob eagers stocks work. Ken noye stocks work. Most will work fine. Have seen a few joe west laminates here in WA and they are comfy if you grip your rifle, I never did shooting more free recoil with thumb on top and the saum I would lean into a little more than the shehane. Agree with what chop says, need to experiment.
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Re: Stock Rigidity
Thanks for the link to that article Gyro. Interesting to see what they are doing with their stock designs.
Looking at the pictures it is interesting to see where and how they put in the carbon stringers as they call them.
Looking at the pictures it is interesting to see where and how they put in the carbon stringers as they call them.
Thanks Al
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Re: Stock Rigidity
Very interesting yes. I'm not saying you HAVE TO spend that much on a stock but maybe there's something in what these guys are doing ? Maybe a shooter who wants to be on the podium should consider that perhaps they do need to spend more for the stock ? Look how much we spend on the other bits.
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Or just make your own ..... laminate up to size with carbon fiber panel ( with a zero-degree layup ) and wood, all in the vertical plane. Glue together with epoxy in a press. Ya may need to pin the laminations together before glueing under a press as otherwise they all just squeeze everywhere ! If ya know someone with a copy-router setup they can rough it out for you ?
Going off topic but some ideas there.
Going off topic but some ideas there.
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Re: Stock Rigidity
Gyro agree that you need to pay for somethings however the gear that we buy and pay a lot for is relative to the item by my way of looking at it in regards to machine & tooling required to make it along with the complexity and skills necessary.
US$2250 as the starting price for these stocks according to the manufacturers web site is well and truely out there considering the cost of materials they are using and the actual hours it would take them to build a stock.
Compare that to a custom action and what they cost. A BAT custom is US$1300 give or take according to their website so something seems a little skewed though people must be paying it.
I have made quite a few timber laminates and plugs for my composite molds though not looking to go that way this time.
US$2250 as the starting price for these stocks according to the manufacturers web site is well and truely out there considering the cost of materials they are using and the actual hours it would take them to build a stock.
Compare that to a custom action and what they cost. A BAT custom is US$1300 give or take according to their website so something seems a little skewed though people must be paying it.
I have made quite a few timber laminates and plugs for my composite molds though not looking to go that way this time.
Thanks Al
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