Bullet weld - Norma brass

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Bullet weld - Norma brass

#1 Postby PeteFox » Sun Jan 14, 2024 1:34 pm

I have discovered a problem with moly coated projectiles and Norma brass.
A couple of years ago I had a very bad batch of hand loaded ammo to the extent that it basically struggled to hold the 4 ring. This was during a Queens, (the ammo shot fine when loaded but sat for a couple of months before the Queens). I put the ammo aside and started another batch and the problem went away.
When I got home I decided to pull the ammo to recover the projectiles. A kinetic (hammer type) bullet puller wouldn't move the bullets (180 Berger hyb) so I resorted to a collet type puller on the press. The bullets were gripped extremely tightly, a slow pull on the press handle resulted in a destroyed bullet with grooves down the side, bullet still jammed, I found I had to thump the press handle to get them to move. This was using moly coated 180's, moly coated necks and Norma 6.5-284 brass, necks were mandrel sized 0.283", annealed, trimmed and chamfered.

I put the brass aside and have had no problem since using the same methods but with Lapua brass instead. It can sit for months and still shoot.

Recently I decided to use the same batch of Norma brass in a 30-284 I am playing with. Using the same methods with Berger 205 hybrids I have struck the problem again, but much worse than before as the photo below shows. Second photo shows copper-salt deposits (I think) around neck bullet junction.

Lapua cases in front, Norma at rear, same storage, same powder, same projectile, same load date, the only difference is the brass.

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These bullets were loaded about 3 months ago and they are STUCK! I have fired these rounds previously, straight after loading with no problem, but I won't be firing these as I imagine pressures will be way over the top and I don't know what the effect of those salt deposits jammed between bullet and barrel at 2800 fps will be.

There is some information in the literature on 'brass~molybdenum- disulphide reactivity' but not much, but plenty on bronze bearings treated with moly being destroyed. I am wondering if there is a small amount of tin in Norma brass which is attacked by the moly.
Am I alone in this or have others had this issue?
Brass is going into storage in the round filing cabinet.

Pete
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