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Loads for 80 gr .223 rem help please?

#1 Postby GSells » Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:30 pm

Hi All , I’m trying to help a fellow club mate who is about to give up long distance target shooting as he can’t get his rifle to shoot . I know absolutely nothing about .223’s . The barrel was in a real need of a good scrub , which it has come back to near its former glory.
I just need help on a good 80 gr eld load .

Maddco 1-8 barrel 26”, rem 700 action , jewel trigger , grs f class stock and Nf br scope .
Regards Graham.

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#2 Postby terry sheedy » Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:24 pm

25.5 2208........24.7 2206h 5 thou jump .start with lower charge

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#3 Postby GSells » Sat Dec 22, 2018 8:30 am

terry sheedy wrote:25.5 2208........24.7 2206h 5 thou jump .start with lower charge

Thanks Terry , I’ll work up the load as per usual.

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#4 Postby Rebel105 » Sat Dec 22, 2018 9:08 am

Graham,
The barrel is a tad short but will work ok for the short ranges. I used 25.1gns of 2208 with sierras jammed with ADI brass but in a 30" barrel. My load was crush so 25.5 will be more crush as well and a little warm for me. My bullets were Moly'd, so take care with naked bullets with above powder loads. Hide behind a tree when you pull the trigger :-)

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#5 Postby GSells » Sat Dec 22, 2018 9:49 am

Rebel105 wrote:Graham,
The barrel is a tad short but will work ok for the short ranges. I used 25.1gns of 2208 with sierras jammed with ADI brass but in a 30" barrel. My load was crush so 25.5 will be more crush as well and a little warm for me. My bullets were Moly'd, so take care with naked bullets with above powder loads. Hide behind a tree when you pull the trigger :-)

Lol! Thanks . The owner has already tried 25 gr 2208 so I’ll have a go from there .
I’ll report back when I get a chance to fire at 100 m . It should shoot . He is only at club levels and happybto shoot 600 yds and under . So should be ok !

I even did a big no no and used autosol with a bronze brush , it was that bad ! I I recommend this only if you own a bore scope and last resort. There was so much hard carbon fish eyes and also in the lands edges and lots of copper . It took a lot to get it back !!
Again Merry Christmas!!

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#6 Postby superx10 » Sat Dec 22, 2018 3:06 pm

Hi Graham
Has the action been bedded into the stock or did he just drop it in?
Have a Merry Christmas to you and your family and hope o see you at an op now I am back in the game.
Cheers

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#7 Postby Ras » Sat Dec 22, 2018 6:59 pm

I'm using 24.9 of 2208 in a 30" barrel that has been cut with the throat for ELDs with a jump of 10 thou jump.

Richard

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#8 Postby GSells » Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:00 am

superx10 wrote:Hi Graham
Has the action been bedded into the stock or did he just drop it in?
Have a Merry Christmas to you and your family and hope o see you at an op now I am back in the game.
Cheers

Hi Scott , he says it was bedded . I shot it yesterday and first up it shot terrible. I moved the o rings around and got it shooting 1/2 groups with the ammo supplied . It likes the 25 gr load . But it was at least 1/4 “ off the lands . So the barrel timing even with tuning externally it was way too retarded.

I will make some loads at 25.2 2208 and seat into the lands , which should get the barrel timing back on and being seated deeper should keep the pressure down . I haven’t chronied yet . I’ll find a load that groups .
When I first shot it with 24 gr 2208 it was grouping at about 40 mm for 3 shots ! It was woeful. And that was with orings on !!
I moved the orings around, bit like using a tuner and with 25 gr loads best groups were easy 1/2”.

It was amazing to see the groups change poi when I moved the orings !!
Anyway orings don’t work !! Don’t waste ya time lol!
Ps looking forward to catching up again !
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#9 Postby GSells » Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:05 am

Ras wrote:I'm using 24.9 of 2208 in a 30" barrel that has been cut with the throat for ELDs with a jump of 10 thou jump.

Richard

Yes it seems to be around that 25 gr mark . Thanks heaps !

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#10 Postby Cliff Austen » Sun Dec 23, 2018 1:37 pm

I use moly projectiles. Grouping is very similar between 25 to 26 grains of 2208. Projectiles are jammed. However, try CCI 450mag primers. Merry Christmas. Cheers Cliff.

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#11 Postby scott/r » Sun Dec 23, 2018 3:37 pm

Hi Graham, I've got a savage model 12 fvss in 223 with a 1:9 x 26" barrel. All factory. I'm running 24.8 grn of 2206h behind 70 grn vld. I switched over to 06h from 2208 because with the shorter barrel I don't beleive it was burning all the powder properly. My thoughts for this is because the barrel was sooting up badly. Not necessarily carbon, but similar. I tried 8208 first and it shot well, but would stick one out ten out to the left all the time. No reason or rhyme, or even consistency, but it would throw one out there. Barrel shot a hell of lot cleaner though.
I then started with the 06h and it even shoots the 80.5 bergers reasonably well. It does like the berger 70 vld a lot. And the barrel is running very clean as well.
Scott.

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#12 Postby Frank Green » Thu Dec 27, 2018 1:58 am

Just for a reference.....watch your loads.

With 2208/Varget and 25.5gr. of powder and a 80gr. bullet that load in a ammunition pressure test barrel will run around mid 60k to about 69k psi of chamber pressure. There are a lot of variables that will effect the pressures as well.....like cleaning/carbon build up, bullet lot (diameter of bullets), actual bore/groove size of the barrel, chamber reamer spec. and coated bullets/naked bullets etc...etc...not to mention bullet seating depth/jump as well.

For reference for.223 max. listed working pressure per Saami spec. is 55k psi. and Max spec. for 5.56 Nato is 62k psi.

It will be harder on the brass as well as the gun you run the pressures up.

My max load is 24.5 of Varget.

In the years past in my service rifle I have loaded 2015 and 2495 powder and it worked well. Don't remember the load off hand. Those where also mostly with 69-75gr. bullets. Not 80's.

Later, Frank
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#13 Postby GSells » Wed Jan 09, 2019 9:47 pm

Just an update, I finally got the 80 gr ELD’s to shoot . Thanks all for your help . The owner is very happy! I’ve run out of 80 gr pills but next stop will be 600 yd club f class and see how it shoots !!
At the end of it , the recoil lug screw was loose mostly and other problems !
Ps 24.6 gr 2208 and cci 400 primers .
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