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2213sc SAUM load

#1 Postby saum2 » Tue Jan 22, 2019 11:16 am

Looking for a starting load with 2213sc for a SAUM using 183 Sierras. Barrel is 32"

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Re: 2213sc SAUM load

#2 Postby Peterla » Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:37 am

Never used 2213 alway 2209 and 2217
Will watch this one and keen to see the results with 2213

I use 2213 in my 284KMR and it likes around 58.3 grains for 180's with 2970 FPS

At a guess, I would think 2213 in a SAUM would be in the region of 58 to 61 but that's just a guess

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Re: 2213sc SAUM load

#3 Postby saum2 » Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:58 am

Thanks Peter,
I also have 09 & 17 powder but was wondering if 2213sc being in between 09-17 I might extend barrel life a little. I have used 2213sc in another Cal but found it a dirty powder but suited the use.
You may be spot on with your guess of between 58-61.

On a side note, I bore scoped a barrel that had only 2217 through it and found the fire cracking extended down the barrel a long way compared to 2209. Similar to what Brett B has previously posted. This extended fire cracking makes it difficult to rechamber to reasonable length barrel.
Geoff

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Re: 2213sc SAUM load

#4 Postby williada » Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:59 am

Geoff, I can only give you a Berger hybrid 180 load of 58.8 of 2013 circa 2950 fps in the cooler country. That's in line with Peter's thinking. Have not shot the 183 Sierras.

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Re: 2213sc SAUM load

#5 Postby Peterla » Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:05 am

Hi Goeff,
Interesting comments on the 2217. Have only used 2209 on my SAUMS and wore 1 out in Canada so it's now getting turned into a fireforming barrel as it was only 30 inches and need to be cut back to about 27 inches now.
I had a new Kreiger I was looking at 2217 in and did a ladder test on 2217. I found 2 nodes one at 2920FPS and the other at 3030FPS with 180 hybrids
Might go back and test that one with 09 and see what it shows up

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Re: 2213sc SAUM load

#6 Postby saum2 » Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:29 am

Thanks David, I did a comparison test using the same powder charge of 2209 with Hybrids & 183's last Saturday evening late, temp around 30C. The Hybrids were over 3000 and the 183's were around 2965-70, (Labradar). Powder charge was based on previous magneto speed chrony speeds, which were around 2935 for Hybrids, so I don't know if the barrel has sped up or the difference between magneto speed and my Labradar.
On a side note, speeds of the Hybrids barely differed between jam 15, and jump 20 & jump 30. barrel is under 100 rounds.

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Re: 2213sc SAUM load

#7 Postby williada » Wed Jan 23, 2019 10:50 am

Geoff I am thinking the barrel has sped up given that my Lab Radar and Rosedale club one, were identical when checking some loads of a Rosedale shooter. Only one way to find out is to strap the Magneto Speed on and shoot it with the Lab Radar beside it. Only need one shot for that. While some ranges have energy limits it makes it bloody hard when shooters in good faith have their loads developed thinking they are right, then poof they are out on a limb. There's got to be some discretionary look at these speeds by officials as how does one prove speeds if the the equipment is not certified to be accurate and I mean the officials equipment. Ball park speeds should be sufficient.

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Re: 2213sc SAUM load

#8 Postby saum2 » Wed Jan 23, 2019 11:07 am

Thanks David, we did a check on this Magneto speed and my Labradar a couple of months ago, overall only about 5 fps difference for some shots, some were closer. (similar heat) This I think confirms what others have found. So maybe the barrel has sped up.

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Re: 2213sc SAUM load

#9 Postby ecomeat » Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:09 pm

I did a Ladder Test with my first 7 SAUM barrel at Belmont a month ago, (using both my barrel mounted MagnetoSpeed and Brisbane Rifle Clubs LabRadar) and my MagnetoSpeed read quite a bit faster than the LabRadar on every shot. It ranged from 5 fps to 27 fps difference, to average just under 18 fps over 13 shots.
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Re: 2213sc SAUM load

#10 Postby williada » Wed Jan 23, 2019 8:47 pm

G'Day Tony, that really throws a spanner in the works. :shock: Which machine do we believe? I have no problems with the Magneto speed reading just velocity and a couple have correlated well with my Lab Radar. I see the Lab Radar as a better option without having to hang something off the barrel which may distort what I want to see in terms of group shape. I would like to see how a couple of Lab Radars compare as well. What can we trust? Stinkin energy limits! As you know Tony, the paper tells the story but we have to know our velocity where energy limits are imposed. The South Australian Queens looks very appealing when Brisbane and Bendigo are plagued with restrictions. South Africa coming up for teams and no restrictions there. We are on the back foot already when prospective squad members can't fully explore their options for firepower. :roll:

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Re: 2213sc SAUM load

#11 Postby saum2 » Thu Jan 24, 2019 9:18 am

ecomeat wrote:I did a Ladder Test with my first 7 SAUM barrel at Belmont a month ago, (using both my barrel mounted MagnetoSpeed and Brisbane Rifle Clubs LabRadar) and my MagnetoSpeed read quite a bit faster than the LabRadar on every shot. It ranged from 5 fps to 27 fps difference, to average just under 18 fps over 13 shots.


Tony, I wouldn't have been worried about 18 fps difference, but my speeds on Labradar were 70 fps difference compared to a magneto speed test only a week before in similar conditions.
I was just wondering if anyone had excellent results with 2213sc. I know where to look with 2209 and 2217.
It's just me looking for the holy grail.
Geoff

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Re: 2213sc SAUM load

#12 Postby williada » Thu Jan 24, 2019 10:07 am

Geoff I think the relative answer will lie in the different ES for the powders. In an attempt to assess barrel life on a new barrel having also noted Brett's comments but having an old barrel used extensively by Mike with 2217 (the thing just keeps on going. However it now groups better with 2209. I have used 2213 with less success in it). The differences are small but there in ES. I think barrel length has a big influence on burn characteristics and ES and Mikes barrel has been shortened with a rechamber, then you consider the timing of bullet exit with the barrel lift profile and micro groups within that profile. The best rule of thumb will be ES if you can get the bullets choofing at the same velocity for comparison. I see no reason why 2213 won't shoot. If there is a choice go for the cleaner burn.

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Re: 2213sc SAUM load

#13 Postby Bigtravoz » Sat Feb 23, 2019 9:06 pm

williada wrote:Geoff I am thinking the barrel has sped up given that my Lab Radar and Rosedale club one, were identical when checking some loads of a Rosedale shooter. Only one way to find out is to strap the Magneto Speed on and shoot it with the Lab Radar beside it. Only need one shot for that. While some ranges have energy limits it makes it bloody hard when shooters in good faith have their loads developed thinking they are right, then poof they are out on a limb. There's got to be some discretionary look at these speeds by officials as how does one prove speeds if the the equipment is not certified to be accurate and I mean the officials equipment. Ball park speeds should be sufficient.


Reminds me of racing bikes back in my younger years, raced for twelve months with what was repeatedly tested as correct maximum gear only to have it ruled out at the state championships and then ending up majorly disadvantaged in what was the one of the most important races at the time by less than 5 mm.

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Re: 2213sc SAUM load

#14 Postby RDavies » Sat Feb 23, 2019 9:13 pm

I have used 2213sc in one of my spare SAUMs and it runs 60.75gns of 2213sc with 180 hybrids at around 2960-2970fps. This was not the load limit and cases lasted a lot of firings.

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Re: 2213sc SAUM load

#15 Postby GSells » Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:35 pm

RDavies wrote:I have used 2213sc in one of my spare SAUMs and it runs 60.75gns of 2213sc with 180 hybrids at around 2960-2970fps. This was not the load limit and cases lasted a lot of firings.

Hi Rod . Do you think it’s a powder worth looking at or best for newbie Saum lovers to stick to 2209?
Regards Sellsy.


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