bartman007 wrote:Daniel, it's great that you have managed to see the post and provide some concise feedback in the process.
One thing I've always wondered is, how do you keep track of the 45 seconds? Is there a time clock like in chess, where you take it in turns bashing the button? Or do you have another method?
In regard to the penalty for exceeding 45 seconds, what is it please?
I think the only thing that will be hurt by this method of shooting is our pride (initially), until we learn to shoot in this style. After all, most shots will be like taking a sighter, we may be able to learn off what our mate has just shot, however when bad conditions sweep through, we will have no choice but to take an educated guess, grit our teeth and fire
"Everybody" is supposed to keep track of the 45s time limit - including the shooter, his scorekeeper (who is also shooting), and the range officers. In practice, scorekeepers tend to be extremely reluctant to tell a shooter they are shooting too slowly, or to bring a slow shooter to the attention of the range officer, even though they really ought to. And enforcement by range officers has been pretty spotty, to the point that abuse of the rule is a bit rampant. However this past year we finally had the range officers get a bit more active in timing shooters and issuing warnings.
The penalty for exceeding the time limit is 5 points (i.e. if caught you are going to lose the value of a shot!!). The procedure is that if a range officer times you and finds you to be exceeding the time limit for a shot, and you don't have a satisfactory excuse, he will issue you a warning. If you again exceed the time limit and he catches you, you are given a 5-pt penalty. I don't recall a penalty ever having been given - if a shooter gets a warning from an RO he usually smartens up pretty quickly.
johnk wrote:The tricky issue at Bisley is that the competitors score for each other - there's no independent scorers - & so, like many rules thereabouts, you might find exceptions by connivance or acquiescence are not unusual. Nevertheless the RCO is expected to oversight the shooting on his block & desirably, bring recalcitrant into line.
Though in principle you and I as shooting partners might conspire to cheat, I don't know of any case that it has actually happened. Squadding is randomized, so it would only be by the luck of the draw that you and I would end up shooting together, though certainly from time to time you will have two people squadded together who know each other. I suppose it would be similar for a single-string shooter to arrange to conspire with his scorekeeper to cheat, though with a check scorer perhaps that conspiracy is made so difficult as to be virtually nonexistent.
GregW wrote:One thing to be aware of is the time involved in "Bisley Style" shooting. A "block time" is allocated to each detail. From memory, I think two shooters are given 25 minutes to complete. This means that the whole range is tied to 25 minutes a pair. I shot "F" class this way in Canada in 2007, (winning the Farquarson and Polar Bear Aggregates). You need to have a plot sheet and be able to read it and your mate's score card, which may be difficult if you have optics geared for long distance. TR can be very trying on elbows of you are not used to it, but "F" class doesn't have such a problem. One thing you will find in Canada is that you will be treated in a most friendly manner at all times.
For two shooters firing 2ss10 at the shorter ranges, we allow 25 minutes. At longer ranges we allocate 30 minutes for two shooters firing 2ss10.
Yes I remember you firing F-Class in 2007, I thought it was pretty darn smart for a Palma coach to shoot the warmups matches with an FTR rifle. In looking over the competitor list of the 2013 FCWC I saw a shooter named Jane Messer and was impressed with that too.
The Farquharson Agg is the Grand Aggregate for FTR shooters: http://www.dcra.ca/results/2007/CFRC/a616.htm
The Polar Bear Aggregate is the agg of all mid and long ranges fired http://www.dcra.ca/results/2007/CFRC/a636.htm (scroll down to the bottom for the list of F-F shooters and F-Open shooters and you'll see that Greg was the top F-F shooter) ("F-F" is short for "F-Farquharson", which is what we called FTR back in 2007).
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