ACT QUEENS

[Matt P]

I see that FO will be using the Super V target this year, will it scored the same as FS and will FO be squaded with everyone else or kept together as per the norm ?????
If squaded withe everyone else I may bring the BR out of retirement !!

Matt P

[AlanF]

Matt,

The last I heard from Dave Groves is that F-Open will be squadded alone, but moving across with everyone else, and the Super V will be scored as a 7 (for Open only). Would be great to see you back - there's a few of us who would like to get some revenge before you get your gear sorted .

Alan

[Matt P]

Alan
If thats true, that's a shame and seems a little pointless, if they're going to score it differently to everyone else and squad them together, you may as well stay on the champ target, as far as I am concerned the biggest plus of using the Super V was to intergrate FO with everyone else and try and break down the barrier, perceived or otherwise. Looks like I'll be leaving the BR in the safe.

Matt P

[AlanF]

Matt,

I'd agree with you on having mixed squadding at OPMs - that'll make it much easier for organisers to include F-Open, and will help as you say to break down the barriers. But I've had a rethink about Queens shoots, and decided I prefer Open to be squadded on one target (or more if required) - we share an interest in BR standard accuracy and in high performance chamberings, and we develop some good friendships based on that common interest. And if there is more than one Open target, I'd like to see them side by side, for the same reasons as above. At a Queens there's plenty of opportunity away from the mound for socialising and mixing with the TR and F-Std shooters.

So get that BR out of the cupboard, and try to be the first to score a 70 on a metric target - its already been done at 300yds.

Alan

[Matt P]

Alan
Why not shoot on the open target, it does suit scope shooting better and like I said earlier if FO are squaded together there's nothing gained.

The ICFRA target is scored 50.10 (whether it's scored 60.10 to suit FS or 50.10 like ICFRA doesn't matter for now lets just get people shooting open) and is all black and used in other countries where Open dominates numbers like standard does here so why not give it a go.

Matt P

[AlanF]

Matt,

Nearly everyone who has shot on it agrees that the Open target is the best for the shooter, BUT its awkward and expensive to provide, and many OPM organisers think its a PITA. Maybe if we had the Super V as the norm at club and OPM level, and only required the Open Target at Queens level, that would work. It could go back to being called the Championship target.

Alan

[Chopper]

Hi all , the SUPER V was called that for what it is , not a super 7, a standard score for all to be familiar with, also in the hope of building up FO, and a target that may lure in some FS shooters , ay Matt, there are many good FS rifles out there that would give the open shooters a run ime sure , and what a great target to use to compare, lets keep it simple and shoot on one target, i shouldnt say to much as i am now shooting at a FLY anyway just keeping in touch, Chop.

[timothi3197]

Love the fly, I haven't hit it but it is still fun. Very casual too.

[RDavies]

What is the size difference between a super V and a 10 ring?
I think that at regional prize shoots, where numbers of F open shooters are low, and we get to hang out with other shooters from our local area, the super V target is not only handy, but it is often a necesity to get F open shooters onto the program. I agree with event organisers not being able to justify a separate target for 5 or so F open targets.
I have to say though, that at Queens shoots, where there are people from all states, I like being in with the F open bunch, catching up with other interstate F open shooters we only see once or twice a year, talking all the latest calibers, powders, bullets, fads, trinkets etc. Not being eletist or anything like that at all, just similar interests and such.

[RAVEN]

Yes I agree Rod
At local OPM's allowing the organisers to squad FS TR and FO on the same target is the way to go we have been doing it is SA now for 18month and its working very well.
At queens my preference would be to be squadded together to do exactly as you have pointed out.
There is more to the event than slinging down 100 plus round of ammo.
Cheers
RB
P.S. the SuperV is .5 moa at all ranges RD

[Matt P]

Guys
Would you sacrifice the target for more competitors ???

Matt P

[RAVEN]

only if I can beat them

Yep probably would Matt
IMO new ppl into FO would come from the ground up thats local OPM and the like.
Barriers need to be broken down at club level and DRA level this has the most impact (I think ??)

[Razer]

If I was promoting FO,now that a common target is available, it would be mandatory that FO shooters be squadded with TR and FS.
Why? because the best opportunity to promote your discipline is where the greatest number of shooters assemble and where they can observe and interact with you.
I have only attended 1 ACT Queens and it was only in an aftermatch chance discussion on Sierra projectiles with the winner[Dennis Shallis] that I found that he shot a .243 Calibre rifle. Other than that they were a group all by themselves shooting on a decimal target[I wish we all could].
There are lots of shooters that don't shoot FO[but are very curious] who are also very interested in powders,projectiles,velocities,different calibres and all other associated gizmo's.
The club house is a great place to catch up with friends and discuss all that pertains to FO. The mound where the actual shooting takes place is the best promotional tool you will find.
There are not as many meets in NSW where FO is catered for, you seem to have far more in Vic. and SA. so the growth of FO is restricted and needs more exposure. With mixed squadding you have a captive audience of at least two, the scorer and check scorer,and, I think you would be pleasantly surprised just how many others.
Just my 3 cents worth. Ray.
PS:to see how the Super V will be implemented in the ACT Queens, there is a direct link kindly inserted by Ian P, in "Rules of FO",well worth a look-see!

[AlanF]

Guys
Would you sacrifice the target for more competitors ???

Matt P

Matt,

Yes I would, but only if the proposed alternative target and scoring was reasonable for F-Open. I think the Super V, whether it be scored as 6.1 or 7 is reasonable.

If I was promoting FO,now that a common target is available, it would be mandatory that FO shooters be squadded with TR and FS.
Why? because the best opportunity to promote your discipline is where the greatest number of shooters assemble and where they can observe and interact with you.

Ray,
Good point. But on the other hand, if the TR and FS shooters see the F-Open shooters obviously enjoying themselves as a group, that is also a good promotional opportunity. As I've said above, there's plenty of opportunity to socialise away from the mound, so that we can convince the others that we are just like them i.e. trying to outwit the conditions to hit a small distant target !

Alan

[Matt P]

Alan
Yes the target would be a Super V style target scored 60.10.
Wouldn't it be good if there were to many shooters for one, two or maybe 3 targets.

Matt P