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State Teams

#1 Postby Matt P » Sun Oct 05, 2014 4:44 pm

Hi All
What states could field bigger teams at next years State Teams ??????
I would like to see an increase to 6 or 8 person teams with 2 coaches, the reason for this is two fold, firstly it get more people involved in team shooting and secondly it's a way of "blooding" new coaches which I think we would all agree are lacking and very much needed.
I would also like to see the amount of ranges shot increased, do we really need the practice for most of the first day ???
I would suggest removing the official practice and making the competition 2 days of 4 stages ???

Comments please.
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Matt Paroz

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Re: State Teams

#2 Postby Brad Y » Sun Oct 05, 2014 8:20 pm

Matt- this year we had just enough people nominate to make a team. Next year is a little better, but still I think 5 shooters is plenty and anymore we are going to struggle to have a team. Instead of building numbers would it not be a better idea to try and get all states in and competing with minimum numbers first? Sorry I know the eastern states are capable of producing larger teams but I would be expecting that with the large numbers there will be trials to make sure the best teams are selected. When the sport is at the level where it can be a true national teams with all states/territories having good numbers present in FS, FO and F/TR , then maybe more shooters can be included. Just my opinion anyway.

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Re: State Teams

#3 Postby DaveMc » Fri Oct 24, 2014 9:52 am

I am surprised there has not been more comments on this so far.

Basically Matt, I know where you are coming from and do agree 100%. I would also like to add that 2(or 3) coach teams are a completely different kettle of fish to 1 coach. Practicing and selecting on 1 coach teams has little relevance (only a few key coach characteristics). You are not practicing/selecting for coaches that can work with other coaches and it is unknown until they get into the bigger team how they can coordinate and work together. It is certainly not unheard of to have a brilliant single coach who is not so good in the larger team because they do not listen to (or can even hear?), trust or work with other coaches (we saw that in a few teams in the US last year even on the world stage)

On the other hand I also agree with Brad 100%. Coming from a small state we struggle to field two full teams rather less full strength teams. With the introduction of FTR we now have to field 3 coaches and 15 shooters plus reserves, captains and managers. A very difficult task for us and even harder for some of the other small states - we are on the recruitment campaign now. To be the "NATIONAL" team event I truly believe you must set the team size and numbers such that we get full (or maximum) participation from most states and it is quite good now.

This however does not stop us trying to organize another event. Perhaps 6 (or 8 ) shooter teams with 3 (or at least 2) coaches? Perhaps composite teams (either by division or by state) could be allowed to encourage participation from the smaller states but not a ratified state level competition.

This can be done at any level and does not necessarily have to be national.

We had a magnificently tough (and enjoyable) challenge at DRA level last weekend against Mackay and Townsville at a truly high level of competition.

Some possible suggestions.
1) Perhaps it is easiest to have say a southern comp (say Vic, NSW and SA and rotate the location on a yearly basis) and a northern one (Qld, NQ and perhaps NT in the future) and maybe WA have their own internal one with FS, FTR and FO mixed teams or they can participate in either of the others by joinging in with some of the locals??? Flexibility will ned to be the key to getting this up and going.
2) alternatively district level matches with mixed FTR, FS and FO teams. 6 shooters.

I see the biggest reason to be breaking in new coaches and team shooters and getting experience in team shooting. If we want to build a strong national team we must have the building blocks.

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Re: State Teams

#4 Postby bartman007 » Fri Oct 24, 2014 10:58 am

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Re: State Teams

#5 Postby johnk » Fri Oct 24, 2014 11:43 am

Sorry, I wasn't around my computer when this thread started & I missed it.

Since we started F teams (Bendigo), Qld has never had more than one or two spares in any discipline & isn't likely to this time round. As an indicator, because of the overwhelming nomination list, I'm captaining three teams at Belmont next year.

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Re: State Teams

#6 Postby AlanF » Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:22 pm

There is an alternative which may satisfy all, except the NRAA.

That is to have 8 shooter teams with 2 wind coaches, 1 main coach etc. whilst making it reasonably practical for all States to be included :

Make the teams mixed F-Class. You could specify maximums of e.g. 3 F-Open, 5 F-Std and 2 F/TR to give some flexibility for States low on numbers. If any States had enough for two teams, so be it, as long as the same rules are used for the mix.

I believe this sort of approach has been suggested before and the NRAA was reluctant to sponsor it, but if it ticks all the boxes for us, then surely F-Class Teams don't have to be run exactly on the TR model.

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Re: State Teams

#7 Postby Barry Davies » Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:34 pm

Alan,
That sounds like a practical solution -- ( 5 FS, 3 FO, 2 FTR ) certainly in the short term until ALL states can field a minimum number in all three disciplines. I call a minimum number 5.

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Re: State Teams

#8 Postby AlanF » Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:47 pm

Barry,

I was meaning 8 shooter teams, so the numbers stated for each discipline would be maximums e.g. you could have 2 F-O, 5 F-Std, 1 F/TR to make up the 8.

Alan

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Re: State Teams

#9 Postby Bindi2 » Fri Oct 24, 2014 2:53 pm

Not being negative Alan. I sure would not like to be the coach for that mix. Windage and elevation changes would be very hard without individual plot cards for each rifle used and that will take time to correlate but that would mean more practice not a bad thing.

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Re: State Teams

#10 Postby Brad Y » Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:48 pm

Definitely coaching would be interesting, but as mentioned by Dave, this is where multiple coaches in a team could be employed as well. I think 4xFS 4xFO and 2xF/TR could be achieved for now, and some states could easily enter a couple of teams (would have no issue with that). A coach for each discipline making up the coaching team and each nominated discipline coach becomes the head coach as their shooters are on the line while the others assist. It will also help identify coaches that are capable of working in a team environment and being flexible in their roles as well. Alot of emphasis is placed on the shooters in team shooting. Really they are just trigger pullers who pull off the best shot they can under the direction of the coach at the time, its the actual coaches that do alot of the work.

It would be great to see a bit more development of team shooting across the country.


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