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MCSI, update needed

#1 Postby DannyS » Sun May 20, 2018 10:16 am

Yesterday, we held one of our team shoots against the Portland Rifle Club . All Portland members were shooting F Open and Hamilton members shot F Standard and one FTR. As usual we used the MCSI and as usual Hamilton won on the MCSI but not on scratch. I think Portland members are starting to become a bit disillusioned with the system as a the moment it appears weighted quite heavily in favour of F standard.

The last update was from figures gained in 2014, I think F Standard scores have improved since that time.

So, Alan, can we have an update please.

Cheers
Danny

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Re: MCSI, update needed

#2 Postby John T » Sun May 20, 2018 6:11 pm

Hello Danny.

At what distances are these teams events conducted? Is there a pattern, for example, are the scratch scores at short ranges fairly close, but the difference is larger with the MCSI adjusted scores? Does this imbalance lessen as the ranges get longer?

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Re: MCSI, update needed

#3 Postby DannyS » Sun May 20, 2018 7:51 pm

Ranges were 500 & 900, 4 Shooters to a team. FO had a scratch score of 468.32 compared to f standard 455.22, however, when using the MCSI , scores were FO 677.5, f standard 681.5.

Top score in f open 119.9 got done by f standard score of 117.8

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Re: MCSI, update needed

#4 Postby John T » Sun May 20, 2018 9:32 pm

Danny.

Can you breakdown the scores to give the results at 500 and 900, separately? Previous results would be interesting.

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John T.

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Re: MCSI, update needed

#5 Postby jasmay » Sun May 20, 2018 9:44 pm

I tend to agree, top score in FTR can’t get the same MCSI score as a top FS.

Personally, and even statistically FS scores are on average higher than FTR.

They notion heavy bullets make it easier is negated by the bipod and light rifle.

Time for a re-look me thinks!!

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Re: MCSI, update needed

#6 Postby jasmay » Sun May 20, 2018 9:46 pm

John T wrote:Danny.

Can you breakdown the scores to give the results at 500 and 900, separately? Previous results would be interesting.

Regards,
John T.


John, just go and have a look at a few different Queens results. At the very least you will
See the FS vs FTR misnomer I mentioned.

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Re: MCSI, update needed

#7 Postby AlanF » Mon May 21, 2018 1:03 am

DannyS wrote:... it appears weighted quite heavily in favour of F standard.

The last update was from figures gained in 2014, I think F Standard scores have improved since that time.

So, Alan, can we have an update please.

Cheers
Danny


Danny,

I agree, F-Open and F/TR seem to be getting the raw end of the stick by MCSI at present. I think the main reason is that they are derived from Queens results, and it seems that F-Open and F/TR shooters generally don't go to Queens unless they think they'll be competitive, whereas in F-Std, particularly B Grade, many don't takes things quite as seriously. So you end up with a situation where good F-Std shooters get the benefit of an overly generous MCSI rating. The same thing applies to TR. I may try something slightly different next time, and weight the F-Std and TR results more towards their A-Grade performances. However it wouldn't want to go too far in that direction, because MCSI is probably more important to the battlers than the ones at the sharp end.

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Re: MCSI, update needed

#8 Postby BillB » Mon May 21, 2018 4:58 pm

Danny we will keep shooting mainly because it good fun when the two clubs get together
Bill

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Re: MCSI, update needed

#9 Postby DannyS » Wed May 23, 2018 6:46 pm

It would be good to see the scores a bit closer Bill, or you may just have to lift your game :D

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Re: MCSI, update needed

#10 Postby 6.5x47 » Wed May 23, 2018 11:42 pm

Its okay Bill we will just shoot the open rifles next year and you can shoot target :lol:

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Re: MCSI, update needed

#11 Postby BillB » Thu May 24, 2018 8:56 pm

Target rifle ,wash your mouth out

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Re: MCSI, update needed

#12 Postby 6.5x47 » Thu May 24, 2018 9:43 pm

It would be nice to have this MCIS system updated and accurrate, also a program that one could enter the shooters names and scores and the results generated. It gets a bit longhanded doing this manually.
I have washed and gargled :P :P


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