Seddo wrote:Does this mean we will start running FC State titles in its own right? ie no TR events?
I hope not. As you pointed out earlier this morning - we are too divided already.
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Seddo wrote:Does this mean we will start running FC State titles in its own right? ie no TR events?
AlanF wrote:I'm going to wait a few days to see if we get any more information, or to see if the Board might indicate a willingness to review their decision, and if not will put in a strong protest to the VRA Council, asking them to pressure the Board to give some credible justification for their stance.
Aubrey wrote:Not trying to start an argument...but...
If the original Queens was based on target rifle as it was then (100+ odd years ago)...and if that logic is being applied to exclude F class because of the difference in equipment, stye of shooting etc...then equally current TR would not be eligible - TR does not shoot Bisley style, our rifles are not semi modified service rifles, we use diopter lenses, we custom load our ammo etc etc etc. A modern TR rifle is very different from the originals!
This pretext of what was "originally" a Queens classification does not really stand up to any logical or rational scrutiny.
Having said that - I love the tradition of a Queens being the pinnacle of friendly and ethical competition with all categories of approved equipment (TR, F Class, Optical, Service, Field etc).
I strongly believe we should preserve the tradition for all shooters, not just one discipline.
AlanF wrote:"Are you going to the Queens?" vs "Are you going to the Governor General's?". Sorry it just wouldn't stack up. And I think its mainly the tradition more than anything. I believe the QRA had their first Queens Prize event more than 130 years ago. Its not a matter of being staunch monarchists, in the same way as you don't need to be Christian to celebrate Christmas. It has become part of the culture. How would we feel about changing the name of Christmas to Governor General's Holiday?
bobped wrote:Normally I don't comment on these pages, but an explanation may be in order.
The right to use the name "Queens Prize" was granted to each state through Royal Patronage which had to be applied for by each state through the NRA of Great Britain. The right to use the name "Queens Prize" was granted many years ago for TARGET RIFLE Competitions held by each State. Note - it was granted for TARGET RIFLE only.
What the NRAA is worried about is that if we start calling every discipline a "Queens Prize" the NRA of Great Britain will get very miffed and withdraw the right to call anything a Queens Prize. Therefore we have asked State Associations not to call their F Class winners "Queens Winners"
If you don't think that might happen then you don't know the Poms. They protect their rights and privileges very jealously and would be quite capable of withdrawing the right completely. That's what we are worried about.
The NRAA is working to try and give F Class more recognition.
One way we are doing is as follows.
We have asked the Governor General to become the Patron of the Association. Throughout our history the Governor General has always been the Patron. The last one before Cosgrove refused.
Cosgrove has been asked and firstly had a few questions to ask us. He was a little suspicious that we may be a "political" organisation but we have re-assured him on this and expect him to accept in a couple of months.
We'll give that time to settle down and then approach him asking for permission to call F Class competitions held alongside Queens Competitions the "Governor General's Competition" and the badges Governor Generals Badges. That will apply to all State Queens competitions.
I'm not holding my breath but those are the plans. In the meantime the NRAA has included the MACE CUP at the end of the NRAA Queens. The Mace Cup is the equivalent of the Kaltenberg Cup.
http://www.nraa.com.au/mace-cup-f-class ... eens-2015/
Regards
BP
scott/r wrote:As a new shooter to full bore, I'm having a bit of a problem with all of us having a big wing about each other's class, at our own expense. From the eyes of someone who started shooting f standard 12 months ago and switched over to target rifle about 4 months ago, all this talk about them and us is quite concerning. And as someone said earlier, I'm not trying to start an argument by any means, I found the " them and us" mentality a lot more in f/class. Maybe because there is three different classes of f/class, (f open, f standard and now f/tr) that it is something that we do every weekend without even realising. Look at the front page of this forum to start with.
Rules & the Future of F-Class
For general discussion about the rules of OUR sport.
And then further down
Full-bore/Target Rifle
If you shoot full-bore, then you're welcome to use this forum to discuss YOUR sport.
Now, please don't get me wrong, I'm not having a go at anyone, especially this forum, I just find it a sad day when we can't all play together. Including all of us shooting under the queen's banner.
Grant G wrote:I too don't often comment on such decisions , but wonder as , Alan to the actual motives behind the decision. In the past I have felt we should remain with the TR community but now wonder if this is the opportunity for F Class to have our own separately run State Championships where we are not putting up with the TR community looking down on us or subsidising their prize pool.
I & I feel the vast majority of F Class shooters don't shoot for prize money, but the allocation of prizes is disproportionate relative to class entries .
It does seem the more we go along & tolerate , the more they want to influence the F Class discipline.
Grant
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