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Re: The Future

#61 Postby tom1 » Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:29 pm

WE need to wean ourselves off this " Prize mentality " . Peer recognition and appreciation is a far more satisfying reward. Trying to pay for your weekend by taking home a boot load of trinkets is not what our sport needs. That thinking has failed us, remember most shooters don't attend these major shoots. Holding sweepstakes only makes the problem worse. DRA 's also need to wake up . Lower entry fees is a starting point, cut back on all the medallions and no cash prizes. This is at least worth trying, couldn't be any worse than present attendance levels.
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Re: The Future

#62 Postby sungazer » Tue Sep 18, 2018 9:20 pm

I know the VRA is targeting Juniors very heavily. This would be the correct target group if the majority of the members were younger and had juniors. The fact is that the majority of the VRA members are much older. IMHO the target group to attract new members from is the 40-50 year old range. They may have more free time as the family is ageing and they more than likely to have a bit more money and thinking of something to do. How many people take up golf at this age. Once you have that younger demographic then juniors would be more sensible.

Put another way a junior by themselves is very unlikely yo talk mom and dad into buying a gun and take them shooting every weekend. Much more likely to be a dad that gets involved and then introduces the wife and kids.

Also the retention rates of juniors playing any sport as they get to that age when cars, girls and parties come on to the scene is very low.

Trevor spend the marketing money where you are going to get the best bang for the buck.

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Re: The Future

#63 Postby MCLE » Wed Sep 19, 2018 5:37 am

sungazer wrote:I know the VRA is targeting Juniors very heavily. This would be the correct target group if the majority of the members were younger and had juniors. The fact is that the majority of the VRA members are much older. IMHO the target group to attract new members from is the 40-50 year old range. They may have more free time as the family is ageing and they more than likely to have a bit more money and thinking of something to do. How many people take up golf at this age. Once you have that younger demographic then juniors would be more sensible.

Put another way a junior by themselves is very unlikely yo talk mom and dad into buying a gun and take them shooting every weekend. Much more likely to be a dad that gets involved and then introduces the wife and kids.

Also the retention rates of juniors playing any sport as they get to that age when cars, girls and parties come on to the scene is very low.

Trevor spend the marketing money where you are going to get the best bang for the buck.

Sungazer
I think we do need to help / encourage the Juniors but I must play my hand I have two kids
that shoot ..
As for targeting older shooters in late 30s to 50 that's easy we have a heap of shooters who are in that age bracket who want to shoot LR who are havering problems finding ranges PRS shooters ..
And yes the cost of our sport is or can be expensive . And some aren't happy with the prizes at PMs or the cost l think we are placing the cart in front of the horse... We can have cheap prizes or expensive prizes but prizes at a PM isn't getting new members through the gate. We need to get new members into the sport before they can shoot at a PM..
If that means we encourage Bench Rest or Varmint shooters or Tactical Shooters or PRS shooters
We need to make it so they can shoot with us ...But this would take a new way of thinking the PRS shooters I talk to don't want to shoot on our targets .. They want to shoot on snap and rapid type targets on our ranges with MB . And yes this would take some different thinking but my understanding is we used to do this years back .. We should see what we can do to encourage whats left of the Bench Rest shooters ..
And on Prizes for example the PRS shooters pay around $350 a ticket to shoot I think and Tickets are hard to come by So expensive probably more pricy than entry into the lead up and Queens .. But the prizes are very good From NF scopes to Top Rifle Actions ..
But my understanding is they are drawn like a raffle after the first place is given out . And if you shoot all comps over the year the Prizes at the end of the year are even better . I think they gave away a Accuracy International Rifle and they are a very expensive $5 or more ..
We just need to be willing to change ..
Or they will just wait a while and pick over our bones

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Re: The Future

#64 Postby sungazer » Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:18 am

To be Honest though the PRS shooters are still a very small number of the total shooters if you take their number by the amount of shooters in the SSAA. Then there are those that are not shooting. Perhaps try attract the shooters that are not already committed to a discipline they enjoy.
The PRS seems to be more about competitions run as a business venture and the gear that is the spin off. There are not clubs practicing every week as far as I know.

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Re: The Future

#65 Postby Barry Davies » Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:32 am

Mike,
You have been shooting PRS so you have first hand knowledge. How many PRS shooters are there in Vic?
You are correct in that we used to do a snap shoot at 300 also a rapid fire at 600 .
However that was in the days when the army ran the show. It was actually compulsory to run a snap shoot at 300 as part of the again compulsory DRA prize meetings. I can also remember doing this as part of the state teams comps.
But times have changed--we did not like it then and not fussy about it now.
Have a look at SSR's and note the number of various disciplines therein. Then explain to me why some of those disciplines are not pursued with the same vigour as TR and FC.
Sure, we need to change our thinking, but as I said in a previous post, we have well established TR and FC disciplines and promoting those is where out priorities should lie.
Barry

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Re: The Future

#66 Postby UL1700 » Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:41 am

AlexE wrote:Thankfully my club is looking into ETs, which should make the sport less time consuming and more family friendly to younger shooters.


Best thing out for club shoots! There is no way I would have the time to shoot on manual targets especially if I did my bit pulling and marking. As it is Hexta makes the range experience more enjoyable for me and the ability to look back at your scores online works really well especially for load development. I really don't know how you would go getting new regular shooters (who aren't at least semi retired) into the sport on manual targets in this time pressed world in which we live.

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Re: The Future

#67 Postby DenisA » Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:34 am

PRS is the new kid on the block. It's exciting, has atmosphere and has some very enthusiastic people driving the new movement. One day, when and if PRS builds up to the numbers that participate in F-class Nationally, they may find themselves with the same problems we have.
I dont think we should be getting carried away thinking that one new discipline is going to save us. As far as LR target shooting goes our numbers are probably still at the top???

F-class was once the new kid on the block in Australian LR target shooting disciplines. With growth in numbers came rule changes, technology changes, personal opinion and argueing about a lot of things at a lot of levels. We're in a rough patch and we need to work through it for the next level of growth.

What ever changes are made to rules, discipline or other, the members must be work together with a common goal, be actively and constantly involved in all aspects of management, event participation and other. Other wise the "new age" would topple over too.

Thats the point, it's mostly not the discipline that's the problem, its the people in it. If we had the same enthusiasm in administering, running and shooting F-class shoots that PRS currently do, we'd be doing well too.

So my question is, why would an overhaul work any better if its all the same people involved, with the same mentality that are only perpared to give the same effort?

By all means we need to accept and include other styles of shooting but concerning Fclass, if F-class isn't appealing to some people, why not make our events more appealing? Increase the atmosphere, the sponsorship, the prizes, social media, the media, the hype, etc. Modernise the clubs, club houses and facilities.

There's so many things that can be done at so many levels but the ideas keep getting smothered.
If a new idea doesn't suit an SSR, draft some new SSR's. Infact why not draft new SSR's that are very open and allow the introduction and trial of different shooting styles at club level.

If the wrong people are in the decision making positions, are hurting the evolution of the sport and we cant get move them due to the concerning constitution, maybe the constituitions need to be redrafted to meet the current climate. Is that possible?

Just to re-iterate, its not the game thats the problem, its the people. We aren't working together towards a common goal, the S & T do not make it clear to the clubs that they want growth and the SSR's retard development.

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Re: The Future

#68 Postby DannyS » Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:40 pm

It’s seem like this thread is a repeat of a repeat of another similar thread, lots of ideas but nothing changes.

Club membership is the most important and where the growth needs to be. Maybe, State Associations need to be more focussed on supporting clubs rather than maintaining state ranges etc.

Then maybe new members would be more interested in paying State fees.

DRAs, maybe it’s time they disappeared.

Prize Meetings, do we have too many? Maybe, better to have a few good ones.

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Re: The Future

#69 Postby Barry Davies » Wed Sep 19, 2018 2:00 pm

All true Danny.
Barry

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Re: The Future

#70 Postby Trevor Rhodes » Wed Sep 19, 2018 4:03 pm

DannyS wrote:It’s seem like this thread is a repeat of a repeat of another similar thread, lots of ideas but nothing changes.

Club membership is the most important and where the growth needs to be. Maybe, State Associations need to be more focussed on supporting clubs rather than maintaining state ranges etc.

Then maybe new members would be more interested in paying State fees.

DRAs, maybe it’s time they disappeared.

Prize Meetings, do we have too many? Maybe, better to have a few good ones.

Prize meetings are very important to socialise members to keep their interest when their club they belong to has none.

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Re: The Future

#71 Postby Rebel105 » Wed Sep 19, 2018 5:22 pm

DannyS wrote:It’s seem like this thread is a repeat of a repeat of another similar thread, lots of ideas but nothing changes.

Club membership is the most important and where the growth needs to be. Maybe, State Associations need to be more focussed on supporting clubs rather than maintaining state ranges etc.

Then maybe new members would be more interested in paying State fees.

DRAs, maybe it’s time they disappeared.

Prize Meetings, do we have too many? Maybe, better to have a few good ones.


Hi Danny, I totally agree with doing away with the DRA's. The DRA team shoot for the past 5-6 years has been dying without much interest and nothing to replace it. Remember when each DRA had a representative on council? that's past history, so time for the VRA task force to come up with better ideas. My DRA doesn't send a Rep team nor Champions and hasn't for the past 10 years. I hear another DRA isn't nominating a team due to cost and lack of interest. Alarm bells should be ringing at our local Association.
Trevor, I hope the VRA task force is watching this thread.
Geoff

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Re: The Future

#72 Postby Barry Davies » Wed Sep 19, 2018 6:03 pm

# 4 DRA is not nominating any champions or teams in any disciplines either. Plenty of willing participants but executive has decided not to conduct DRA championships or nominate any teams?? and we wonder why we are in trouble.
I agree --time DRA's were gone.
Barry

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Re: The Future

#73 Postby Trevor Rhodes » Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:40 pm

Rebel105 wrote:
DannyS wrote:It’s seem like this thread is a repeat of a repeat of another similar thread, lots of ideas but nothing changes.

Club membership is the most important and where the growth needs to be. Maybe, State Associations need to be more focussed on supporting clubs rather than maintaining state ranges etc.

Then maybe new members would be more interested in paying State fees.

DRAs, maybe it’s time they disappeared.

Prize Meetings, do we have too many? Maybe, better to have a few good ones.


Hi Danny, I totally agree with doing away with the DRA's. The DRA team shoot for the past 5-6 years has been dying without much interest and nothing to replace it. Remember when each DRA had a representative on council? that's past history, so time for the VRA task force to come up with better ideas. My DRA doesn't send a Rep team nor Champions and hasn't for the past 10 years. I hear another DRA isn't nominating a team due to cost and lack of interest. Alarm bells should be ringing at our local Association.
Trevor, I hope the VRA task force is watching this thread.
Geoff

There is a motion going to the VRA AGM to do away with DRA champions and instead each club can but a club champion in each discipline so it will be bigger and better.

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Re: The Future

#74 Postby DannyS » Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:02 pm

Trevor, there has to be a happy medium re club membership and PMs. I try to balance my attendance at PMs etc, because I feel I need to remain committed to the Hamilton Rifle Club. As the Captain, I need to be there and accept my duties to promote and advance the club. This also includes planning, working bees etc. I couldn’t do this if I went to every other PM.

Clubs need members being able to shoot as many times as they can on their home range, without the range being closed due to too many PMs. It’s a fine line to tread at times

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Re: The Future

#75 Postby Trevor Rhodes » Wed Sep 19, 2018 9:22 pm

DannyS wrote:Trevor, there has to be a happy medium re club membership and PMs. I try to balance my attendance at PMs etc, because I feel I need to remain committed to the Hamilton Rifle Club. As the Captain, I need to be there and accept my duties to promote and advance the club. This also includes planning, working bees etc. I couldn’t do this if I went to every other PM.

Clubs need members being able to shoot as many times as they can on their home range, without the range being closed due to too many PMs. It’s a fine line to tread at times

I agree Danny, new shooters need to have access every week at their home range but PMs are about every 6 weeks and usually only one per club turns up that's leaving other members to carry on. Hamilton is the exception in the west of the state.


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